Re: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-29 Thread Doug McKean
Don't ask me where I got this, but ... An electrically dangerous fence is defined in most countries by the energy that the fence can deliver to a 500 ohm load in a second. The IEC is something like 8 joules from fence energizers. Canada and the UK is something like 5 Joules. The fence must

Re: requirements for ITE power cords

2002-08-29 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks Sorry to be late in replying on this one - and not really trying to disagree - but I think you will find that the 125% rule is a "North American" convention and also followed by countries which use similar installation practice (i.e. that have plugs with quite small blades/pins!). The s

Abnormal test and SELV / 60950

2002-08-29 Thread Pierre SELVA
Hi all, When abnormal tests are performed against clause 5.3 of IEC 60950 3rd ed, do we have to measured the SELV voltage to be sure they are in the limits as defined in case of first default. I never seen reports where it's done, but I've performed tests where these voltage were outside the SELV

RE: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-29 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Reminds me of when my son (now 25) was very young. We were visiting relatives in California who used electric fences to keep the cattle where they belonged. We were sitting around talking when my son came into the house with eyes as big as saucers to report that "the fence shook me!". It took a

Re: Transmission line formula?

2002-08-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
>>Now I just need to get the Z meter.<< For one, you might try an MFJ 259B. Covers 1.6-170 Mhz with some degree of accuracy -- though certainly NOT lab quality! -- and can be had for as low as $220 or so, new, if you can bargain with the seller. I've found mine useful even where I DO have access

Re: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-29 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks I once (about 12 years ago) had the dubious priviledge of being the Comittee Secretary for the UK BSI standards committee dealing with these beasts at British & International levels! This question was never asked (that was probably before my time!) but it was my impression that these ha

Re: question on capacitor discharging

2002-08-29 Thread Hellflower
And I would add that the energy can be considered as shown in another clause of '1010. If your stored charge is below a certain combination of voltage and charge, then the energy level - despite the voltage - isn't a hazard. Eric Lifsey --- This message

PCB design guideline

2002-08-29 Thread Peterhays
Hello Group, Has anyone got a brief document that outlines how to design PCB to have a better EMC/EMI performance? I basically need to give some basic guideline to our PCB guy . I know some of it myself. Things such as separation of high frequency from low frequency, good ground plane, etc. An

Re: IEC 60068-2-30 Condensation cycle time

2002-08-29 Thread Kurt M. Marden
Hi Dave, Test Db variant 1 test cycle has a period of 24 hours. Regards, Kurt David Heald wrote: Greetings all, Does anyone know the time length of the condensation cycles in IEC 60068-2-30 (EN 300 019 states that the condensation test lasts 2 cycles and references 60068-2-30 as the test met

Re: Insulation Distance Between Circuitboard Layers (Safety)

2002-08-29 Thread Doug McKean
Something's bothering me about this discussion. It's not what people have said that I disagree. Maybe it's to be put in the FWIW department, 1MV breaks down 1 meter of air @ STP. It then follows that 1KV breaks down 1 mm of air. So, that's 1mm AIR/1KV. FR4 has a dielectric factor of about

Re: Transmission line formula?

2002-08-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
Brent, Try this: Put two 3-foot pieces of your material at some convenient spacing. Using a Z meter, find the quarter-wavelength frequency, where the impedance will be zero (open stub), around 82 MHz. When you've found THAT, measure the impedance at HALF this frequency. The reactive impedance o

Re: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-29 Thread Don_Borowski
Everything in the LVD is designed to prevent electric shock. Electric fencers are specifically designed to give electric shocks. I guess that is why fencers would be outside the scope. I don't know the state of electric fences today. Thirty five years ago, there were several types. One type was

IEC 60068-2-30 Condensation cycle time

2002-08-29 Thread David Heald
Greetings all, Does anyone know the time length of the condensation cycles in IEC 60068-2-30 (EN 300 019 states that the condensation test lasts 2 cycles and references 60068-2-30 as the test method). Thanks in advance! Dave Heald --- This message is f

Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-29 Thread Ablewisp - Compliance Consultants
Hi I've been asked why electric fence controllers are "outside the scope" of the LVD. I don't know much about them and assume its because they generate voltages exceeding the LVD upper limit. Is my assumption correct? Many thanks Stuart Miller --- This m

RE: Transmission line formula?

2002-08-29 Thread Jim Conrad
Hi Brent, I had the same problem when I designed mine. By using square stock, which is great for building a log-p, I was not able to get the impedance necessary to make it look 50 ohms at the driving end(but close enough to keep the VSWR < 2:1). I was also trying to push the limits on gain and

RE: question on capacitor discharging

2002-08-29 Thread Dean Gerard (gdean)
For general electro-medical equipment see EN-60601-1, clause 15; 'limitaton of voltage +/or energy' - specifies restrictions on voltage beteween supply pins, and supply pins and enclosure, after removal of plug from mains supply (<60V after 1sec), tested under least favourable conditions. (No te