RE: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-10 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Gary - IEC60825-1 uses units of energy, energy/unit area, power and power/unit area (regardless of any "special" names associated with them) rather than candela or lumens, which are typical for simple LEDs. You'd need some formula to convert the units to those compatible with IEC60825-1. However

Re: David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~)

2002-10-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that michael.sundst...@nokia.com wrote (in <57a26d272f67a743952f6b4371b8f811e62...@daebe007.americas.nokia.com>) about 'David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~)' on Thu, 10 Oct 2002: >Or at the least the carb pull back spring is off. You mean that he needs throttling? (;-) -- Re

Re: High Voltage Equipment/Appliance Wire

2002-10-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that POWELL, DOUG wrote (in ) about 'High Voltage Equipment/Appliance Wire' on Thu, 10 Oct 2002: >I need to locate a resource for High Voltage Triax cable. It should be >rated to 2000V AC/DC on both the center conductor and the 1st shield. The >2nd shield will be grounded a

requirement for surge and EFT

2002-10-10 Thread George Stults
Hello Group, I am talking with an offshore manufacturer who is suggesting that their CE marked ITE gear does not have to pass Surge and EFT since it runs off 12Vdc, normally provided by an AC/DC power supply, which is supplied in the same package. They suggest that the AC/DC power supply, but n

Re: Record Retention

2002-10-10 Thread Fred Borda
Hi Randy, For C-tick labeled products, Australia's Radiocommunications (Compliance Labelling - Incidental Emissions) Notice 2001 says records must be kept "...for 5 years after the device has ceased to be supplied in Australia..." The records to be kept are more than just a test report, of co

RE: LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-10 Thread richwoods
Gary, I have to be concerned about LEDs also and have found that I need to consult EN 60825-1 in order to determine the design and documentation requirements for Class II LEDs. Our EU safety agency requires that we demonstrate compliance even with Class 1 devices. For the lower emission LEDs, comp

High Voltage Equipment/Appliance Wire

2002-10-10 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Greetings all, I need to locate a resource for High Voltage Triax cable. It should be rated to 2000V AC/DC on both the center conductor and the 1st shield. The 2nd shield will be grounded and then an overall jacket. In addition it needs to be rated for 160 Amps continuous. It would be best if

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread Doug McKean
[ Neven wrote ] > You are seing a spectrum of MLT3 signal, which is 100 > Mbit coding. [ John wrote ] > Pardon my naivety, but how does '100 Mbit' relate to frequencies > of 30 and 60 kHz? Is this 100 Mbit per week? (;-) Could be plenty. I'd guess is something to do with either jitter and

RE: David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~)

2002-10-10 Thread Michael.Sundstrom
Or at the least the carb pull back spring is off. Michael Sundstrom NOKIA TCC Dallas / EMC of: (972) 374-1462 cell: (817) 917-5021 amateur call: KB5UKT -Original Message- From: ext Peter L. Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9

ESD protection for test equipment

2002-10-10 Thread Douglas_Beckwith
Hi All, We have run into a problem where the ESD discharges to the EUT are getting onto the 100base T ethernet lines and damaging the support equiment Does anyone know of a commercially available box that we could put onto or in series with the Cat 5 cable ethernet line that would provide ESD pro

OFF TOPIC, was RE: David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~)

2002-10-10 Thread brent . dewitt
The actual reason for not connecting the negative terminals directly when jumpering two cars is the risk of hydrogen explosion in the presence of a spark. Positive terminals are connected first, then the negative connections made somewhere away from the battery vents. I happened to be at a Chec

RE: Record Retention

2002-10-10 Thread Barbara Judge
Randy, See pertinent sections below for FCC & CE, as well as a url for Australian info. I hope that this is helpful. EMC Directive Article 10: 1. In the case of apparatus for which the manufacturer has applied the standards referred to in Article 7 (1), the conformity of apparatus with this Di

Record Retention

2002-10-10 Thread Flinders, Randall
Can anyone give me the record retention requirements for FCC Part 15, CE-Mark, and C-Tick certifications? How long must we keep the test reports once the product has gone obsolete? I believe this to be 2 years from the last date of manufacture for FCC but can't seem to find the section in the re

LED's and laser safety?

2002-10-10 Thread Gary McInturff
IEC-825 has incorporated LED's into the safety standard but, from what I can tell, left a great deal of confusion. I typically deal with the 5 - 10 mcd devices and haven't been required to provide any IEC-825 conformity proof for the Western European test house. We may be jumpi

RE: EMI suppression for fiber-optic thru-hole ...

2002-10-10 Thread Price, Ed
>-Original Message- >From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:10 AM >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: Re: EMI suppression for fiber-optic thru-hole ... > > > >I read in !emc-pstc that Doug McKean >wrote (in ><011101c26fe3$e97937d0$

RE: David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~)

2002-10-10 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Jeeze, Ted. I think your carb chain is loose. > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On > Behalf Of Ted Rook > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:28 AM > To: < > Subject: David Sproul...UL creepage limits ;~) > > >

RE: Solid State Relays

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Merguerian
David, I assume from your message that relay is UL Recognized but has no European approval. In this case, you will need the European licenses for the optos. You wil also need COC with each shipment that the relay manufacturer is using the same optos. Best Regards This e-mail message may conta

RE: Question regarding something slightly unusual ...

2002-10-10 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Doug - This was not so uncommon a few years ago. For instance, a rack mount computer at one time could not be UL Listed and were only allowed to be UL Recognized Components, based on the uncertain use environment (elevated internal rack temperatures). At the same time, obtaining European certif

RE: Question regarding something slightly unusual ...

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Merguerian
Doug, UL Recognitiion vs TUV GS (Listing) can be because of many factors. Some are specified below: 1. UL interpertation of some requirements in the standard could have bee different than TUV's interpretation. 2. The product met all of the EN60950 requirements but lacked some of the US deviatio

Re: EMI supression for fiber-optic thru-hole ...

2002-10-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Doug McKean wrote (in <011101c26fe3$e97937d0$cb3e3...@corp.auspex.com>) about 'EMI supression for fiber-optic thru-hole ...' on Wed, 9 Oct 2002: >Now the cable is of course non-conductive, but is >there some emi grommet for the gaping hole in such >a construction that p

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that neve...@attbi.com wrote (in <20021010021029.WVI M20316.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>) about 'Ethernet Radiated Emissions' on Thu, 10 Oct 2002: >You are seing a spectrum of MLT3 signal, which is 100 >Mbit coding. Pardon my naivety, but how does '100 Mbit' relate to freq

RE: EMI supression for fiber-optic thru-hole ...

2002-10-10 Thread Chris Maxwell
Laird Technologies (formerly Instrument Specialties) has a part number 97-720 or 97-721 that may fit the "jellyfish" description that John gives below. > From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:10 AM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject:

RE: Creepage

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Merguerian
David, If the standards are harmonized, then I do not see any reason for UL requiring higher spacings for 120 V than the European standards for 230 V. If the standards are not harmonized, yes, there are situations when the clearances or creepages for US standards for 120 V can be more than the

Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread Neil Helsby
We had a similar problem about a year ago. Having tried numerous methods to isolate the source of unwanted emissions, I was lying on my back looking up at the base panels of the product (it was mounted on legs). I realised that an external cable that took the Ethernet signal from one part of t

RE: Newcomer to NEBS

2002-10-10 Thread Garry Hojan
Hi Jim, In addition to looking for a competent test house, if you are going to be dealing with Verizon, make sure that the test house is approved by Verizon as an ITL. Their *Verizon's* requirements, from both a scrutiny and monetary standpoint, have unfortunately reduced the number of choices yo

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread neven11
You are seing a spectrum of MLT3 signal, which is 100 Mbit coding. Increased broadband emission is caused because some of the differential mode (DM) signal is either converted into common mode (CM) due to imbalance in the differential signalling or because you have some power/"ground" "noise"