RE: RS-103 help

2003-11-04 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Ken Javor [ mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:03 PM To: Bill Stumpf; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: Re: RS-103 help I am not sure if you are asking for specific equipment model numbers, or general guidance.

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread ChengWee Lai
Hello Rich, 3. I believe you will have to use 3000Vac or 4242Vdc between primary and secondary side, unless you have a failure, then there are steps to go through to isolate the failure. The adapter has basic insulation between mains and the PE terminal, and reinforced

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Howdy, Rich. From: Rich Nute Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM Hi Peter: No where does the standard state that by simply providing a Functional Earth, even through an appliance inlet (implying use of a power supply cord), the equipment is not considered Class II.

Re: RS-103 help

2003-11-04 Thread Ken Javor
I am not sure if you are asking for specific equipment model numbers, or general guidance. I will leave the specifics to others. I would start with a high gain horn and a calculation of how far away the far field is developed (2D^2/wavelength). You can use the equation for power density as a

Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Chengwee: In my years working in power supply industry, I have never done the ground continuity test between Earth terminal to the DC output for adaptor. Normally I wouldn't trust the PE path with anything less than 18AWG or equivalent. There are two kinds of tests that I

Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Peter: No where does the standard state that by simply providing a Functional Earth, even through an appliance inlet (implying use of a power supply cord), the equipment is not considered Class II. One is simply limited to not marking with the aforementioned symbol.

RS-103 help

2003-11-04 Thread Bill Stumpf
Hello all. I need help locating equipment for rent that can achieve the following goals. RS-103 (MIL-STD-461E) testing from 18 GHz to 40 GHz @ 200V/m. If anyone could point me in the right direction I would be most grateful. Bill Stumpf William M Stumpf DLS Electronics 166 South Carter St.

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread ChengWee Lai
Hello Rich, Agree to the compliance thought process for PE according to the 60950 standard. In my years working in power supply industry, I have never done the ground continuity test between Earth terminal to the DC output for adaptor. Normally I wouldn't trust the PE path with anything less

Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: I do have one question for the group just for my own knowledge...back in my TUV days I worked almost exclusively with IEC60950 and seem to remember that a class II product can have a functional earth connection provided Primary and other hazardous voltages are insulated

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Peter L. Tarver
Raymond - I'm not Rich, but see the below. From: raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:18 PM Rich, If the dc output is connected to the PE terminal, then the dc output could become live in the event of a fault in the basic insulation between mains and the

Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Raymond: If the dc output is connected to the PE terminal, then the dc output could become live in the event of a fault in the basic insulation between mains and the PE terminal. I think it may not be the case in practice. Even the dc output is connected to the

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Peter L. Tarver
John - IEC60950-1, ยง2.6.2 deals with Functional Earthing. If the earthing is functional only, it does need to be separated by Double or Reinforced Insulation, or by earthed screening and Basic Insulation, from parts at hazardous voltage. Just as for Pluggable Equipment/Class I Equipment, when

snubber cap-- what safety agency requirements

2003-11-04 Thread Gerald Tammi
What are the agency requirements on the SNUBBER caps used with TRIAC controllers for AC applications. This design will be used in both a North American 115 V and a European 230 V ac system. So the SNUBBER caps have to have any specific agency ratings? Will they need to be Y capacitors for

RE: IEC 61010-1:2001 section 6.7.3.2 Clearance Calculation

2003-11-04 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
Doug, I find it confusing. Good thing there are examples. example b) gives the correct answer. example a) does not look correct. Reasoning: 1) F is solved incorrectly. It should be 0.297 2) The remainder looks correct. I get 20.5 mm (without interpolation) With interpolation I get

RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread Tyra, John
Great answers Rich! I do have one question for the group just for my own knowledge...back in my TUV days I worked almost exclusively with IEC60950 and seem to remember that a class II product can have a functional earth connection provided Primary and other hazardous voltages are insulated from

FW: What standards - vehicle diagnostic tester

2003-11-04 Thread Peter Conboy
Yes, its ITE equipment - laboratory, scientific or measurement equipment, whichever e.g EN55022/CIPR 22 or equivalent, unless the vehicle is moving when you normally use it; and in which case 95/54/EC then applies. -Original Message- From: Luke Turnbull [

What standards - vehicle diagnostic tester

2003-11-04 Thread Luke Turnbull
Does anyone have an opinion on what commercial EMC standards I should apply to a product that reads and writes information via a vehicle diagnostic connector. Thanks, Luke Turnbull This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit

RE: EU directives for SMPS

2003-11-04 Thread Ing. Gert Gremmen
SMPS If a SMPS is available on the EU market for end users, then the EMC directive applies Otherwise only the LV directive applies. This implies that an component SMPS need not meet the EMC reqs. Your product however, does and a SMPS is a critial component as it comes to EMC. Therefore only

Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter

2003-11-04 Thread raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk
Rich, Many thanks for your clear explanation. I have two practical issues in below in-line message and look forward to hearing your comments. To c...@netscreen.com cc raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk, emc-p...@ieee.org Subject Re: Class 1 AC/DC adapter If the