RE: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Good People I speak only for myself, and perhaps for my dog, but definitely not for my cat or employer... It is difficult for a component SMPS mfr to say that the outputs will stay within specified tolerance *DURING* these tests; because we cannot control the ultimate end-use installation.

Sick Building in Australia blamed upon cell phone towers

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Did any of you see the following article in Interference Technology? http://www.rmit.edu.au/browse;ID=ue9soxm9ujv2 - Robert - - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the

Inexpensive Sources of Useful Test Equipment

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi All, I have just posted a new 6 minute podcast on using inexpensive test equipment from the Amateur Radio field in the development/engineering lab. Got a tight equipment budget? Some of the equipment is very useful and a very low cost. I cover four specific pieces of equipment and uses

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This was one of the reasons we designed and built our own analogue transistors load banks. The ones available on the market are often noisy and not suitable for EMC emissions measurements. At least, that's been my experience. A resistor bank has the advantage of simplicity, but the

Re: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi David, A couple of possibilities: - You have an increase in RF currents flowing from the power supply, through the electronic load, to it's power source (regardless whether the electronic load is grounded). Note: EN55022:1998, clause 9.2.e says that other power cords from the system (in

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I suggest that if one is interested only in the emissions from the EUT, then a stack of resistors is the easiest way to build a suitable load. If one is interested in functional interaction between power supply and an active load (perhaps DC-DC converter) then okay, but how would you distinguish

Test facilities vibration shock testing in Poland

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi group, Does anyone know of test facilities in or around Poland for vibration and shock testing of equipment with a weight of 300-500kg? Specs are ETS300019-2-2 Class 2.3 Public transportation (IEC60068-2-29 IEC60068-2-64) Best regards, Kris Carpentier Regulatory Approvals - This message

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Agree with ED, the las time I used and electronic load it was terrible noisey in-and-of-itself. Too noisey for emissions tests. As lab equipment – at the time – it didn’t hgave any FCC emissions testing – and so I doubt it addressed this area at all. Maybe better these days but I would be

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Good People, Conflict of Interest Notice: my employer makes component SMPS. The control loop for an analog load can also cause problems if the loop response time beats against a fundamental of the SMPS for that particular load setting. That is why my employer has a requirement to sweep the

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-Original Message- From: David Gelfand [mailto:david.gelf...@mitectelecom.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Conducted emission measurements We measured conducted emissions of a switched mode ac-dc power supply and found that emissions

RE: Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We have discovered that some commercially available electronic loads have conducted emissions of their own and these currents find there way into the device-under-test. Consider using either resistive load or an analogue controlled transistor load bank. (no switching circuits or oscillators

Conducted emission measurements

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We measured conducted emissions of a switched mode ac-dc power supply and found that emissions are much higher when using an electronic load compared to a resistive load. Can somebody explain why this is? Thanks, David. David Gelfand, P.E. Product Integrity Engineer Mitec Telecom Inc 9000

RE: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, I know of one PS manufacturer who states that their power supplies complies only with Criterion B during EFT en Surges although the output voltage remains within the limits of the normal operating conditions (Ex. 9V +/-5%). The reason for this is that there may be very small pulses, nsec or

Re: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
It seems to me that you would not care if only some small fraction of the surge potential coupled from primary to secondary for a short period of time especially if it is common mode, but that what you don't want to have happen is a differential dc level shift. Therefore I would mount the power

Re: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message tfsre...@leco.com, dated Thu, 18 May 2006, brian_ku...@leco.com writes So, we have specified that the output of power supplies must not cause our electronics to malfunction during the 4-4 or 4-5 tests. We specify that the DC output of a power supply can not go out of spec during

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Re: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message ofae34d781.9bc07564-on80257172.004a953d-80257172.004bb...@servomex.com, dated Thu, 18 May 2006, iun...@servomex.com writes I have a question regarding the likely behaviour of ac to dc switch mode power supplies during fast transient burst tests to EN 61000-4-4 and surge tests to EN

Re:Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, This is a very good question. Not that long ago we were qualifying a power supply that would shut down and restart each time it saw the Surge pulse during the 4-5 test. We told the PSU manufacturer that their product fails Surge but they came back and told us that, according to the

RE: Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, I would expect a power supply to function according to its specifications. This means that all output voltages have to stay within the specified tolerance limits. Best regards, Michael Michael Nagel Senior EMC Engineer Motorola GmbH ECC Embedded Communications Computing Lilienthalstrasse

Burst and surge tests

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Group, I have a question regarding the likely behaviour of ac to dc switch mode power supplies during fast transient burst tests to EN 61000-4-4 and surge tests to EN 61000-4-5. For a manufacturer to claim conformity to these standards are any constraints placed on the behaviour of the dc

RE: Sign Regulations

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Folks You can find information on The Harmonized Commodity Description and Coding System (HS) of the Customs Cooperation Council (CCC) on a number of websites. For example:http://www.uktradeinfo.com/index.cfm?task=intraicn is the relevant part of the UK Customs and Excise Site. Not an

RE: Sign Regulations

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter, I would guess 940560. I am not really familiar with the codes you refer to. Jody _ From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:16 AM To: Leber Jody-G19980; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Sign Regulations Jody, Do you have

Re: Sign Regulations

2006-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Jody, Do you have the Harmonized Tariff (HS or HTS) code? Some countries on your list reference standards by the HS code. Peter Leber Jody-G19980 jody.le...@motorola.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, We are trying to obtain regulatory approvals on a sign for retail display. It consists