Re: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting next Wednesday, January 24th

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Re: Outside the realm of standards

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RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Oh, did he ever return? No he never returned. And his fate is still unlearned. He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston, he's the man who never returned. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:42 PM To: Price,

Re: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message off8272c59.5ebef612-on86257267.005d2a92-86257267.005da...@apcc.com, dated Thu, 18 Jan 2007, ted.eck...@apcc.com writes I can only verify that it is correct in its most basic claim; the odds of dying are 1 in 1. OT COMMENT: I don't think you can: in the Judaeo-Christian world, three

Re: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc8839001769...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Outside the field of standards - if I assess that the chance of a hypothetical product causing a death is, say, one

Re: Cell phone not now determined to be not the cause of fire after all ....

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message ofa901864d.57f2d6ea-on88257267.005501b9-88257267.0055e...@us.ul.com, dated Thu, 18 Jan 2007, william.j.ba...@us.ul.com writes After reading all the discussions about the cell phone fire the last couple days ... I thought this was interesting:

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The National Safety Council has a list of the odd of dying from various causes. Kitchen chairs are not specifically mentioned, but the odds of an American dying from a fall from a bed, chair or other furniture are listed as 1 in 4473. A total of 838 Americans died by falling off of furniture in

RE: Found a great way to remove soldermask

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The old motorised eraser would work a treat then - if you can't find a shield, then cut a bit of smt paste stencil out with tin snips which has a suitable aperture in it Regards, Chris From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of cb...@ntcnet.com Sent: 18 January 2007

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In the UK, 3000 people a year die in road accidents – that’s roughly 10 a day, 2/3 of which are driving on business – in an average lifetime of driving your chance of dying in a road accident is 1 in 200. This does not stop cars being sold or companies prohibiting business driving...

Re: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Airlines do it all of the time. They are selling you a seat with about a one in three million chance of death. (for small planes...about one in six million for big planes, the last I had read) The real issue here is comparative. If all airline seats have about a one in three million chance of

RE: NFPA and Fires

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:45 PM Jim Bacher writes While looking for some information I happened to stumble on this: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/OSComputer.pdf It has information on computer and computer peripheral fires. Number of

Re: Cell phone not now determined to be not the cause of fire after all ....

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Well, It's now up to the legal people...not the engineers :-) As a teenager, growing up in the boondocks, my cousins were fond of coming up to our house and shooting things for target practice. One of their favorite targets were road signs. One day, my cousin shot from our front porch at a

Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi all, Outside the field of standards - if I assess that the chance of a hypothetical product causing a death is, say, one in a million per annum then there is a million-to-one chance (1x10e-6) of a product related death in one year of operation. I assume that that risk is acceptable. If I

Cell phone not now determined to be not the cause of fire after all ....

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
After reading all the discussions about the cell phone fire the last couple days ... I thought this was interesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/16485570.htm The article states that the cause of fire was not the cell phone -- apparently the engineers from

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Bob Richards Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:24 AM I remember hearing someone at UL say that for this type test, a special UL Cheescloth was needed, one that had a non-standard threadcount. I would suspect, based on other UL type tests specs, that this special cheescloth is

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Price, Ed Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:35 AM Here's an interesting site about cheesecloth; everything from straining maple syrup to bookbinding, but they never seem to have heard about flammability testing. http://www.raglady.com/items.jsp?category=66

Re: Cheesecloth

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 1c5d8af23ef60e4c8e86777b7f504d8b0f742...@us194mx14.tycoelectronics.net, dated Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Dudek, John (Corcom) j.du...@tycoelectronics.com writes Except for the weight definition, UL has defined the same cheesecloth for over 25 years. About time for a review, then. I'd like

RE: Cheesecloth

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The current UL60950 defines specifics of the cheesecloth in section NAC.3.1. It states Bleached cotton cheesecloth, running 28-30 m/kg and having what is known as a count of 32 x 28 inch - that is, for any square inch, 32 threads in one direction and 28 threads in the other direction (for any

Re: Audio test

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message e6acec5be8405b4e936c9e9bccac10241b6...@bb-corp-be1.corp.cubic.cub, dated Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com writes We got the testing done, but I suspect it was only due to the relatively lenient acoustic spec level. IIRC, we found the chamber (with 24 painted foam

On the Subject of Telephones

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From the Could This Really Happen department. Received from a friend and sent to the list by Scott Douglas. A Queensland, Australia farmer's wife called Telstar to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called, and that on a the few occasions when it did ring, her dog

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
And that has been a question many have wondered for many years. :-) _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ron Pickard Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:18 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Outside the realm of standards Not that I am aware of.

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Not that I am aware of. And, why his wife didn’t slip a nickel into his sandwich at Scollay Square station, we’ll never know. Best regards, Ron Pickard mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com rpick...@hypercom.com _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit,

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Don’t know. And if they did, did it get Charley off that train? _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shinn, John Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:22 PM To: Price, Ed; John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Outside the realm of standards But

RE: Outside the realm of standards

2007-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
But Charlie has been around some 40 years or so. Thus, his time may not be up yet. By the way, Did anyone vote for George O’Rilley? John Shinn _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Ed Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:28 PM To: 'John