[PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Dave Coleman
I am trying to find the driving requirement for ITE to be tested to 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 (harmonics flicker). For test measurement equipment 61326 clearly states the requirement, but I cannot find the equivalent statement in 55022/4 nor can I find it in the EMC directive. Anybody help?

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread IUnwin
Dear Dave EN 61000-3-2 and -3-3 are both listed on page 13 of the 30/9/12 edition of the EMCD standards. See http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2011:288:0001:0019:EN:PDF Best regards Ian Unwin From: Dave Coleman david.cole...@selexelsag.com To:

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message of3a5c1ae1.acc2a817-on8025796d.0030b95e-8025796d.00313...@selexelsag.com , dated Wed, 21 Dec 2011, david.cole...@selexelsag.com writes: I am trying to find the driving requirement for ITE to be tested to 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 (harmonics flicker). These standards are 'product

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Dave Coleman
That's my point - I'm aware of the requirement to be compliant with these standards, but I'm giving direction to others less knowledgeable and I need to refer to them to the text that states the requirement unambiguously. If these words are not in the product standards or in the directive,

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Charlie Blackham
Dave You are not required to be compliant with standards – you are required to be compliant with the protection requirements of the EMC Directive. Ways of demonstrating compliance are discussed in “The Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC (8th February 2010)”, available from

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Dave Coleman
Charlie, Yours and John Woodgate's responses tell me what I already know - but don't answer the fundamental question, of why there is not a legally enforceable document (and the EMC Directive Guide is not), that tells the uninitiated what standards their equipment needs to comply with, if

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message of7e5afce7.40bb91cf-on8025796d.0040e621-8025796d.0041c...@selexelsag.com , dated Wed, 21 Dec 2011, david.cole...@selexelsag.com writes: Why did the writers of 61326 feel it necessary to include reference to 610003-3-2 3-3, but the writers of 55022 did not? The writers of IEC/EN

Re: [PSES] [***] RE: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message 3f0347ac6ed9504191f91f07629fbb0c554...@thhsle14mbx2.hslive.net, dated Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com writes: In reality most companies choose to test products to Harmonised Standards, using test equipment made by companies who sit on standards

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Ian White (UK)
Dave, Your main point is true, but consider this : 1) There are many thousands of products on the world market that are sold within the EU. Each can be slightly different or vastly different from each other. 2) Even sight differences in application and use could force you to look at other

Re: [PSES] Lab Needed for 17025 Accredited Calibration for Davis Weather Station

2011-12-21 Thread Elliott Mac-FME001
Hi Derek! Thanks for the input / feedback - will look into the alternate way of demonstrating compliance to the traceability requirements. Here is the excerpt from TIA 603 D 1.4.5 Standard Atmospheric Conditions The standard atmospheric condition is a temperature of 25 °C at an atmospheric

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
There are not that much standards applicable to each and every product, unless you never read the list. If you do not know which standard is applicable, one also can opt for the generic standards set. The phenomena based approach is imho the way if you cannot afford the use of a consultant. So

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48914036B@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 21 Dec 2011, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: So in order of best results: 1. Ask a consultant What about: 0 Ask on this mailing list ? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try

Re: [PSES] harmonics flicker

2011-12-21 Thread Grasso, Charles
Isn't the requirement in the scope? EN 61000-3-2 applies to all electrical and electronic equipment that has an input current of up to 16A per phase, suitable for connection to the low-voltage AC public mains distribution network. It is my understanding that it is the responsibility of the

Re: [PSES] Semi-Anechoic Chamber Question - Correction Factor

2011-12-21 Thread Grasso, Charles
Professor Leferink published a nice paper that proposed a different correction factor for a SAC to a FAC. I tried to track it down but had no luck. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t)

Re: [PSES] Semi-Anechoic Chamber Question - Correction Factor

2011-12-21 Thread Bill Owsley
Go back, way back, to the paper by pate, german, smith, on the NSA. Go through all the details and calculations and surmise that there is the direct path, and the reflected path. The reflected path adds, or not, to the direct path, depending on wavelength (phase at receive antenna) and distance

Re: [PSES] Semi-Anechoic Chamber Question - Correction Factor

2011-12-21 Thread Bill Owsley
At a basic level, do an NSA for the chamber and compare to the OATS NSA to develop a correction factor for the two. From: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com To: Jim Hulbert jim.hulb...@pb.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG