Re: [PSES] Practical ethics? -- text version

(or, at least should be/was!) Precisely. In the case you cited, it wasn't, except by you. And, in the context of beef-flavoured £5 notes, consider the Indian Mutiny , caused by greasing bullets with tallow from (sacred) cows. Could well have been foreseen, but wasn't. Many dead. With best wishe

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John The "intent"/ "whole point" (and documented in relevant Joint Services Publications - "JSP"!) of the MoD's requirement for Safety Cases (to DEF Stan 00-56, and related requirements) is (or, at least should be/was!) to apply "foresight" to ensure that equipment to be introduced to service

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I don't know about banned, but they weren't designed to the carrier EME. That's why the Blackhawk had a problem and the sister ship Seahawk designed for the Navy didn't. But if you want to land on a carrier deck, you don't go off and invent your own artificial EME. You qualify to the Navy levels..

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The one who said that about inverting the rms to peak conversion was simply reverse engineering the peak limits, which are obtained by taking the rms level and computing the peak level that would yield the rms level given the pulse modulation duty cycle. I was told this while visiting at AVSCOM (A

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As I said, I don't have a solution, but the entire underpinning of capitalism / free markets, as enunciated by Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations is: > ³It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that > we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-int

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On 12/27/2016 5:29 PM, Ken Javor wrote: has generated more bad experiences ADS-37A's rather high pulsed RS levels was a result, if i remember correctly, of Army helicopters being banned from US Navy aircraft carriers. Cortland Richmond - --

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On 12/27/2016 5:16 PM, john Allen wrote: Don't think you can attach jpegs Found that out. It took three tries, but I UL'd an image to Flickr. The whole document is available on the Web (link included) but that one chart is all I needed. Cheers, Cortland Richmond - --

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A colleague of mine who has done a lot of standards work refers to standards (of the EMC/safety variety) as ³the collective inversion of a bad experience.² Perhaps the relative scale of the US military post-WWII compared to others has generated more bad experiences and hence more military standard

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On 12/27/2016 4:38 PM, John Woodgate wrote: I guess that the US Army tries to cover all the angles, but that leads to other problems. Such as the ADS-37A RS test. I never did find a civilian lab that could do it all and one who said they could was inverting the RMS to peak conversion by pul

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Whoops; here's the ADS37A chart in jpg: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and search

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On 12/27/2016 4:38 PM, John Woodgate wrote: I guess that the US Army tries to cover all the angles, but that leads to other problems. ADS-37A is a problem all by itself. I never did find a civilian test lab that could do the RS test. One that SAID they could had inverted the Peak to RMS

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On 12/27/2016 2:19 PM, Ken Javor wrote: I see what Cortland describes as a fundamental feature of how businesses are run today in the USA See http://forums.delphiforums.com/callahan/messages/?msg=23312.1 Hah! Cortland Richmond - --

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The point I made was that the British Army doesn't do foresight. It takes a disaster or two for the problem to be realised and then a solution comes from the boffins quite quickly. I guess that the US Army tries to cover all the angles, but that leads to other problems. With best wishes DESIGN

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Yes, that's the crunch point: But once that company takes off and is run not by the founder but by a board of directors... Can we write a law to stop it happening? What if it's run by the founder's offspring? That's often bad news. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.

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Ken Somehow, I doubt that (unless Dr Who has been involved? J) John E Allen From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: 27 December 2016 21:22 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Practical ethics? -- text version Yes. My comment below about NVG qualif

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Yes. My comment below about NVG qualification reflects my experience with the US Army, but it would seem reasonable to generalize here unless Brit NVG goggles have like 90 dB more dynamic range than US models and don¹t require special care on the part of light sources used at night... Ken Javor P

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I think your point relates to the US Army, not the British. Is that right? With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emcc

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Yes, optimistically the 'rejection' might not be absolute. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.u

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No personal criticism implied. Just making the point that if you are the only one who can see a problem even after pointing it out, you are tilting at a windmill that might be more dangerous than a dragon: a dragon can be killed, the windmill cannot. While the immediacy of the loss of human life i

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Ken I understand where you were coming from - my "defence", if it may be called that, was that it looked like these (likely to be inadequately-equipped for NVG operations) vehicles were going to be used a lot at night by inadequately-trained operators in very difficult and challenging Afghanist

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CR Had a few of those "you can't stop my factory" moments myself, such as : - From the MD of an embryonic TV set company when he swore at me and told me he would ship anywhere he damned well liked after I had told his Production Manager that he could not ship sets to Germany because they did

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Again not claiming a solution, but I see what Cortland describes as a fundamental feature of how businesses are run today in the USA (and likely elsewhere, but no direct knowledge). Businesses are founded by individuals, and those individuals, to the extent that the business represents their livel

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Well said Cortland, my old friend. I also wish to compliment John Allen on his ethical stance. In my 40+ years of EMC, I have few experiences with the military side of things, so cannot comment, but I am encouraged by your willingness to speak out. Our field of endeavor is based on metrology

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If neither customer nor supplier wanted what you were selling, then the personal fallout to you is not surprising, regardless of how important the feature was/is. Faced with a similar situation, I have taken a less extreme approach. A major US $ billion plus space program was doing something I th

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On 12/27/2016 10:39 AM, John Allen wrote: in the wider context, this sort of thing can place a great strain on the ethics of the “guy in the middle” who understands what actually needs to be done and “speaks his mind”, Here we come to the crux of the matter. It is an organization's corporate

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Ken Take your point to a degree, but the fact of the matter was that neither our customer nor the MoD wanted to take the responsibility until pushed very hard by me - which left me in the "middle of the deep blue sea" and without much of a "paddle". Luckily for the project, in this case, even

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War definitely puts a stress on the procurement process. That process was not designed to field things quickly (speaking as a citizen of the USA). A wartime procurement does require some intelligent analysis of what can be streamlined and what is ironclad. In this case of NVG compatibility, the

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Ken You are almost certainly correct on all counts - UK MoD Requirements specs have often been deficient, especially if someone boiler-plated them from another project, and then didn't get to think about the detail of what might actually be required, such the use of NVG in this case. Even "

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I may be missing something here, but anything the Army procures that might be used around NVG has to be NVG-use qualified. Sounds as if someone dropped the ball levying that requirement in this situation. The system is broken if there is no contractual requirement and the entire thing hangs on one

[PSES] ESD film on touch screen

Hi All, I am looking for an ESD film can be used on touch screen. The surface resistance shall not be lower than 1M ohms. The hardness is above 3H. The film can prevent from the accumulation of electricstatic charge. I used 3M film before. But they stopped the production this year. Could anyone

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John Your 2nd para could be “correct”, but hopefully “not quite” because, maybe, some of those involved will have learned lessons for the future, or at least all that left “niggling memories” in their minds of what “someone” said in the past about something that they themselves had dismissed

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It's a very long and cherished tradition in the British Army that it does not use foresight. Your exclusion almost certainly stemmed from your sticking to hard facts and not 'dressing up' your opinions to make them more acceptable. You might say that that is unethical, but look at it another

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I had similar problems with customers as well, especially when the company I worked for was doing sub-contract Safety Case work for a supplier of armoured tractors for the UK MoD! Neither our customer "wanted to know" when I raised some safety-related "issues" about issues about the tractors

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That's what I promote and insist on at my company and our COO supports. The product managers need to own and drive the compliance to be designed in up front or they pay for it later. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016