Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread Brent DeWitt
I think we're bundling independent errors here.  The lab's 17025 measurement uncertainty is independent of the EUT.  That said, you are certainly correct that measurement _variability_, due to the complexity of the EUT, generally swamps the lab MU, especially in the case you mention when multip

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread Brent DeWitt
Every measurement uncertainty seminar I've ever been to, since the mid 80s, has concentrated on it as a measure of the labs ability to control uncertainty.  In every case, from NIST to NPL, they have been adamant that uncertainty has _nothing_ to do with the pass/fail criteria.  The ironic thin

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread John Woodgate
Quite right. We don't need to add uncertainty to EMC measurements, because they are uncertain enough already.😉 == Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK I hear, and I

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread Elliott Martinson
A fun thing to do if you have access to a semi-anechoic chamber is use lots of duct tape to make sure absolutely nothing changes between measurements other than a certain design change--one accepted long ago that already went into production, which cost $$$ (cable ferrites, wrapping cables multi

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread David
MU seems like a decent idea but is at best just an added cost for labs. It seems like magical thinking - as long as this number is 'good' your results are good. I've been working in labs 20 years. The biggest sources of error are completely ignored by MU - operator errors and poor methods to ve

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread Chas Grasso
Hello Patrick, Deferring to others that have the history, as far as I can remember the impetus was good engineering practice. On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:03 AM Patrick wrote: > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > conwa...@gmail.com * > -- > wh

Re: [PSES] FCC Part B questions

2023-07-12 Thread Patrick
what year did measurement uncertainty become a required component of lab accreditation? was there massive radio interference at homes and in offices that suddenly ceased the year after? asking for a friend. On Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 10:28 Chas Grasso wrote: > When the concept of measurement uncert