Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Greg McClure
Rich, We have always preferred the AC test in manufacturing, as we felt it was a better test. However some technical issues, not safety related, have come up that caused one of the development teams to request investigating using the DC test for the routine manufacturing test. Thanks, Gregory

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Charlie Blackham
-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test Hi Greg: The standard is incorrect in requiring tests of both polarity d.c. There is no physical rationale for both polarities. But, at this time, if you opt for d.c. testing, you must test with both

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Dave Baron
: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Charlie BlackhamSubject: Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test Rich The standard is incorrect in requiring tests of both polarity d.c. There is no physical rationale for both polarities. Go on, I’ll bite J What’s this requirement doing

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Wm Barry
in the standard then?   Regards Charlie     From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 August 2015 19:09 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test       Hi Greg:     The standard is incorrect in requiring tests of both polarity d.c

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread John Allen
this requirement doing in the standard then? Regards Charlie From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 August 2015 19:09 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test Hi Greg: The standard is incorrect in requiring tests

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Charlie: The standard is incorrect in requiring tests of both polarity d.c. There is no physical rationale for both polarities. Go on, I’ll bite :) What’s this requirement doing in the standard then? Because it appears in IEC 60664-1, sub-clause 6.1.2.2.2.3.

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Doug Smith
Actually, discharges involving insulators appear to be polarity senstive from recently published data. I have confirmed this with lab measurements. Not sure how this effects safety.   Doug On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:52:06 -0700, Richard Nute wrote:     Hi Charlie:       The standard is

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message 20150805123657.7o15cirvwgwkw...@hostingemail.xo.com, dated Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Doug Smith d...@emcesd.com writes: Actually, discharges involving insulators appear to be polarity senstive from recently published data. I have confirmed this with lab measurements. Not sure how this

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread Doug Smith
Hi John and the group, Thanks! The data I saw is in a paper that was submitted to the EMC Symposium in Dresden and left me with the impression it was new. Having read the paper, I set up an experiment in the lab and true enough, the discharge current onto an insulator (amps for ns or so) is

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message 20150805142422.uhqgeaxlc8sk8...@hostingemail.xo.com, dated Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Doug Smith d...@emcesd.com writes: I set up an experiment in the lab and true enough, the discharge current onto an insulator (amps for ns or so) is quite different for - and + discharges, much greater for

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message caoqwfnow81oqpqgzv4n1d1vqbjs-d88t+6uowt-q8f6cl8c...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 4 Aug 2015, Greg McClure gmccl...@lexmark.com writes: The equipment we have in our lab only provides a single polarity, positive with respect to ground when in DC mode, which requires us to manually

[PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread Greg McClure
All, In reviewing IEC 62368-1 Clause 5.4.9.1 the test procedure states about halfway down the page: The insulation is subjected to the highest test voltage as follows: - by applying an a.c. voltage of substantially sine-wave form having a frequency of 50 Hz or 60 Hz; or - by applying a d.c.

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread Greg McClure
Doug, John, We have discussed these options with our test equipment group and could build the test fixtures as suggested. However, we hesitate to use a reversing scheme with a switch or high voltage relay in manufacturing because it would require making the chassis of the product hot for one

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread Douglas Powell
It would seem that you need a piece of test gear with a floating output that can have either end referenced. Not sure I have seen anything like this.Best, Doug.

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Greg: The standard is incorrect in requiring tests of both polarity d.c. There is no physical rationale for both polarities. But, at this time, if you opt for d.c. testing, you must test with both polarities. I would advise testing with a.c. to avoid capital expense of a new

Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test

2015-08-04 Thread Heckrotte, Michael
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual polarity DC electric strength test It would seem that you need a piece of test gear with a floating output that can have either end referenced. Not sure I have seen anything like this. Best, Doug. From: Greg McClure Sent: Tuesday, August