Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-11 Thread Doug Powell
: August 11, 2018 3:13 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply-to: scott...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Scott,Thanks for your sharing experience on this matter!  What is the purpose for the second star washer?  Double protection on top of the first

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-11 Thread Scott Xe
t; plain nut to establish a good electrical earth connection. >> >> >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-11 Thread Scott Xe
will cut through the paint and establish a gas-tight connection. There is > no need to remove paint. > > > > Best regards, > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Scott Xe > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 9:54 AM > *To:* ri...@ieee.org

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Richard Nute
… a star washer was not acceptable for military grounding. The rationale was that the points of the star washer created the conductive grounding path. Since the points were fairly small, and the ground fault current was high, a fault current would be forced to flow across those tiny point-con

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Richard Nute
day, August 10, 2018 4:09 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection MIL-B-5087 is superseded by MIL-STD-464, which says "Overpainting of structure for corrosion control prior to ensuring an electrical bond has been documented

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Richard Nute
The rationale was that the points of the star washer created the conductive grounding path. Since the points were fairly small, and the ground fault current was high, a fault current would be forced to flow across those tiny point-contacts. This had the danger of causing the points to melt

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Brian O'Connell
[mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Hi Scott: For the sake of this discussion, a toothed star lock washer has two functions: (1) keep the bolt from loosening, and (2) esta

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Edward Price
, August 10, 2018 2:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Hi Scott: For the sake of this discussion, a toothed star lock washer has two functions: (1) keep the bolt from loosening, and (2) establishing a “good” electrical

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Richard Nute
remove paint. Best regards, Rich From: Scott Xe Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:54 AM To: ri...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Hi Rich, Thanks for your advice! 😊 Regarding the flat

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Scott Douglas
; > > Scott > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Richard Nute > *Sent: *Friday, 10 August 2018 03:11 AM > *To: *EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject: *Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer u

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-10 Thread Scott Xe
ay, 10 August 2018 03:11 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection "The lock washer should not interface between the bolt head and the metal, the lock washer should be between the head and a flat washer." That locks th

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-09 Thread Richard Nute
nesday, August 8, 2018 11:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection These references are in relation to ship building, but may be of interest to anybody who wants to look at star tooth washer bonding in detail. http://www.public.na

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-09 Thread Richard Nute
"The lock washer should not interface between the bolt head and the metal, the lock washer should be between the head and a flat washer." That locks the bolt to the flat washer so they turn together. 😊 Establishes a good electrical connection between the bolt and the flat washer! 😊

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
t; *Sent:* August 8, 2018 7:22 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Reply-to:* scott...@gmail.com > *Subject:* [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection > > Notice that it is common to use external toothed star washer to > cut through the paint on metal enclosure

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
; > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2018 1:04 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth > connection > > > > I have used IPC guidance in the past and while they

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
day, August 8, 2018 10:30 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection > > Am not aware that it is "common to use external toothed star washer to > cut through the paint". It has been my experience that

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
e found in the CSA > engineering manual for 60950-1. And 40A ground bond test for all, and all > for one. > > Brian > > > > From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 10:04 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] E

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
John, Appropriate torque is different to set due to various connection mechanism. However you point of double-sided washer is essential. We had a case that the production incorrectly installed the washer upside-down causing the failure in earth continuity test. Thanks and regards, Scott On We

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
etwork From: scott...@gmail.com Sent: August 8, 2018 7:22 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: scott...@gmail.com Subject: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Notice that it is common to use external toothed star washer to cut through the paint on metal enclosure inst

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Doug Powell
From: scott...@gmail.comSent: August 8, 2018 7:22 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply-to: scott...@gmail.comSubject: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Notice that

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Schmidt, Mark
Subject: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection Notice that it is common to use external toothed star washer to cut through the paint on metal enclosure instead of removing the paint for earthing. The connection effectiveness may be affected with following things

Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread John Woodgate
The screw torque is specified in several standards, but the acceptance criterion is usually the high-current resistance test. It's really up to the manufacturer of the product to specify the requirements of the washer, which must be double-sided so that it doesn't matter which way up it is inst

[PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection

2018-08-08 Thread Scott Xe
Notice that it is common to use external toothed star washer to cut through the paint on metal enclosure instead of removing the paint for earthing. The connection effectiveness may be affected with following things - Sharpness of teeth on washer (some toothed washers are single sided instea