God versus safety
The volcanologists are not good enough. No human knowledge is
exhaustive. It fits fairly well with your cited definition:
/an act or occurrence so extraordinary and unprecedented that human
foresight could not foresee or guard against it/
but I think the definition is &
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Sent: 30 December 2019 20:41
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety
The volcanologists are not good enough. No human knowledge is exhaustive. It
fits fairly well with your cited definition:
an act or occurrence so extraordi
ed the reference from David Lazarus’ December 24^th column
from the LA Times:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-24/acts-of-god-consumer-contract
He says, “… that “acts of God” is cited so frequently as an excuse
for not meeting corporate obligations.”
In considering the safety of a prod
To be an AoG, the test has to be 'No-one would have thought of that.'
I don't know much about how the 'functional safety' experts have
re-normalized their infinities, but I believe that, having acknowledged
that 'anything not violating the laws of physics c
w.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-24/acts-of-god-consumer-contract
>>
>> <https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-24/acts-of-god-consumer-contract>
>>
>> He says, “… that “acts of God” is cited so frequently as an excuse for not
>> meeting corporate o
er-contract
He says, “… that “acts of God” is cited so frequently as an excuse for
not meeting corporate obligations.”
In considering the safety of a product, if a product met the standard
but still caused an injury, could or would a corporation invoke that
the injury was an “act of God” to
a reminder in the manual that “you
mountain bike is not a submarine”, as a way to remind owners that riding your
bike with the hubs an drive train submerged was a good way to kill the bearings
if one didn’t immediately service them after submersion.
IMO, although the process functional safety
11:34 AM
To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety
Hi Ted:
I picked the reference from David Lazarus’ December 24th column from the LA
Times:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-24/acts-of-god-consumer-contract
“acts of God” is cited so frequently as an excuse for not
meeting corporate obligations.”
In considering the safety of a product, if a product met the standard but still
caused an injury, could or would a corporation invoke that the injury was an
“act of God” to absolve itself from liabil
ct:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety
Does that prove that at least one god exists?
Best wishes
With seasonal felicitations
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
Rayleigh, Essex UKwww.woodjohn.uk
<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woodjohn.
reflect those of my
employer.
From: John Woodgate
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 6:41 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety
Does that prove that at least one god exists?
Best wishes
With seasonal felicitations
John Woodgate OOO-Own
he time and now incredibly obvious. Would injury in the former time
be an Act of God?
Best wishes, Doug
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*Subject:* [PSES] act of God versus safety
The Florida state Supreme Cour
y
Rayleigh, Essex UK www.woodjohn.uk
On 2019-12-30 00:19, Richard Nute wrote:
The Florida state Supreme Court ruled in 1944 that an act of God is
“an act or occurrence so extraordinary and unprecedented that human
foresight could not foresee or guard against it.”
If a product that complies wi
IEEE.ORG
Reply-to: ri...@ieee.org
Subject: [PSES] act of God versus safety
The Florida state Supreme Court ruled in 1944 that an act of God is “an act or
occurrence so extraordinary and unprecedented that human foresight could not
foresee or guard against it.”
If a product that complies with a safe
st wishes, Doug From: ri...@ieee.orgSent: December 29, 2019 5:19 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply-to: ri...@ieee.orgSubject: [PSES] act of God versus safety The Florida state Supreme Court ruled in 1944 that an act of God is “an act or occurrence s
The Florida state Supreme Court ruled in 1944 that an act of God is “an act or
occurrence so extraordinary and unprecedented that human foresight could not
foresee or guard against it.”
If a product that complies with a safety standard injures a person, is the
injury an act of God
Kong require same EMC/Safety/RoHS
approvals and labeling as China?
Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as
China? My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like
servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and
Does Hong Kong require the same EMC/Safety/RoHS approvals and labeling as
China? My focus is on regulation of automated data processing products like
servers, PCs, disk arrays, switches, power distribution units (PDUs) and rack
integrated systems. For example, China requires that servers and
IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
Join us for our next virtual chapter meeting! We will meet Thu Sept 19th,
2019 at 12 noon EDT (Time in New York), to cover Power supply safety by
Gary Tornquist.
Originally given at the ISPCE 2019 in San Jose this
IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
Join us for our next virtual chapter meeting! We will meet Sept 18th, 2019
at 12 noon EDT (Time in New York), to cover Power supply safety by Gary
Tornquist.
Originally given at the ISPCE 2019 in San Jose this
Joe,Good question and some good feedback for you.
Even if there was another standard that might apply as long as
the product has IT/communications functions then 62368 should be applied to
that portion – this might also include the latest safety requirements for the
familiar with
the safety standards for equipment used in a factory environment. My concern
was that there might be something more specific than the ITE standards that I
normally work with. I gather that this is not the case.
Regarding your remarks about the upcoming transition from IEC 60950-1
Hi Joe!
60950-1 is the standard for Safety of Information Technology Equipment, but
the presumption of conformity of this standard is going away in the EU
relatively soon. It will be replaced by 62368-1, which is a standard that
combines the product scopes of information technology equipment and
:
Hello All:
I have been asked whether IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 are appropriate
safety standards for a “box” that resides on a factory floor and
provides internet access to a variety of sensors distributed
throughout the factory floor.
Are there other safety standards that are specific to ITE
Hello All:
I have been asked whether IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 are appropriate safety
standards for a "box" that resides on a factory floor and provides internet
access to a variety of sensors distributed throughout the factory floor.
Are there other safety standards that are s
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has just posted a
position for an electrical engineer/auditor in the Nationally Recognized
Testing Laboratory (NRTL) Program.
Please share this with any individuals you think would be interested.
Interested parties may review the posting and
www.element.com
On 7/26/2019 7:13 AM, David Schaefer wrote:
All,
As an EMC engineer I’m aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.
Idle curiosity made me wonder – what are leading topics on the Product Safety
And don’t forget about the work on mobile robots -R15.08 American National
Standard for Industrial Mobile Robots and Robot Systems
Best Regards,
John
John Allen
Product Safety Consulting, Inc
www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com>
On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Richar
I can offer some new "stuff" on the product safety side:
1. Study of body dc resistance by Hai Jiang and Paul Brazis.
2. Study of measurement of ac riding on dc touch current by Pete
Perkins and TC108/WG5.
3. Study of enclosure apertures by Jeff Pasternak.
4. Risk analysi
Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-07-26 22:03, Ted Eckert wrote:
In my opinion, increasing environmental compliance requirements are
putting the development of new flame retardants at the forefront of
s
In my opinion, increasing environmental compliance requirements are putting the
development of new flame retardants at the forefront of safety technology. We
are seeing more restrictions on halogenated flame retardants which eliminates a
lot of the long-standing methods used for plastics. There
Hazard-based safety engineering rather than strictly prescriptive standards is
one obvious leading edge change. There are always technology specific advances
such as USB power supply output levels.
I'm sure others will have other examples.
--
Dan Roman, N.C.E.
IEEE Senior Member
d
All,
As an EMC engineer I'm aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.
Idle curiosity made me wonder - what are leading topics on the Product Safety
side?
Thanks,
David Schaefer
Department Ma
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For members of the product safety engineering society!
We are very fortunate to have Doug Nix as our featured speaker for our
chapter. He will be covering the basics for functional safety in three
session. The 3rd and final session is scheduled for July 18th, 2019 at
12:00 noon, Eastern time
Colleagues,
I have a client who is in need of some assistance with South American product
safety requirements. If you are one, or if you know of someone reputable that I
could refer my client to, please get in touch.
The sector is industrial machinery, including laser etching/marking, x-ray
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Product Compliance Virtual chapter - June Presentation–
Product Safety and the new IoT by Bob Griffin
Al Gore did not invent the internet, It is attributed to Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn
who stated regarding Al Gore "No one in public life has been mo
If you have been thinking about joining one of the virtual chapter
meetings, June IS the perfect month to do so. We are inviting you to our
June presentation, where Bob Griffin will be covering 'Product Safety and
the new IoT'.
Join us on Thu June 20th at 12 noon, New York time. I
une Presentation–
Product Safety and the new IoT by Bob Griffin
What a great idea!!
Thanks!
Charles Grasso
W: 303-706-5467
From: Mariel Acosta-geraldino [mailto:mar...@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
S
What a great idea!!
Thanks!
Charles Grasso
W: 303-706-5467
From: Mariel Acosta-geraldino [mailto:mar...@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Product Compliance Virtual chapter - June Presentation– Product
Safety and the new IoT by
If you have been thinking about joining one of the virtual chapter
meetings, June IS the perfect month to do so. We are inviting you to our
June presentation, where Bob Griffin will be covering 'Product Safety and
the new IoT'.
Join us on Thu June 20th at 12 noon, New York time. I
some of these issues if there are questions
about converting the CB Report to a CSA Report (or any other National safety
report) with CSA itself.
:>) br, Pete
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
PO Box 1067
Albany, Ore 97321-0
Is it possible to carry out a safety test (IEC62368-1) at a CB listed test
laboratory, and thereafter bring the CB test report forward to CSA Group for a
CSA certification?
Anyone who have followed this route with success or do CSA required to do the
testing as well?
BR
Amund
Senior Engineer, Product Safety & Environmental Compliance
Magic Leap, Plantation, FL
Company Description
Magic Leap is an eclectic group of visionaries, rocket scientists, wizards, and
gurus from the fields of film, robotics, visualization, software, computing,
and user experience.
demonstrated
during the evaluation phase by the test labs for safety and EMC requirements
etc. This work becomes the backbone for the Technical File which supports each
certification needed.
Too bad you missed the IEEE PSES ISPCE symposium this week in
San Jose; the Compliance
had success
yet.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
Original message From: "Nyffenegger, Dave"
Date: 5/9/19 10:43 (GMT-08:00) To: Frank Tang
, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EMC and
safety basics (process
test complete and have test report in hand
o documentation
o application for certificate (?)
o self declaration, etc.
o Maintaining certification
Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation
as well,
* Things to provide test lab before testing
Frank,
Answer to many these questions depend on what market(s) you are selling into.
Your test lab will provide you with their prerequisites needed for a given
test/certification. These should be identified in their quotes. Generally
minimum requirements for safety evaluation/certifications
and have test report in hand
- documentation
- application for certificate (?)
- self declaration, etc.
- Maintaining certification
Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation as well,
- Things to provide test lab before testing
- BOM
It depends on what happens to the product. If it leaves the laboratory,
such as to go to an exhibition, then all the requirements apply, in
principle, but there are concessions in some countries on EMC but
obviously not on safety. If the product stays in 'technical areas' and
the ra
Hi Everyone,This is my first time regarding prototype/proof of concept
products, is it subjected to the same safety and emc guidelines?
--
Thank you and best regards.
- Frank
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profession as applied to electrical products. It is titled Electrical
Product Compliance and Safety Engineering, by Steli Loznen, Constantin
Bolintineanu, and Jan Swart. You can see the Table of Contents and the first
two chapters on Google Books here:
https://books.google.com/books/about
Frank --
There is a book that was recently published that provides a fine overview of
our profession as applied to electrical products. It is titled Electrical
Product Compliance and Safety Engineering, by Steli Loznen, Constantin
Bolintineanu, and Jan Swart. You can see the Table of Contents
Hi Frank,
Welcome to the community.
The IEEE's Product Safety Engineering Society is a great resource -
http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/. The worlds finest Product Safety and
Certifications engineers are all members. Conferences in May, November and
December is in Asia.
I would als
compliance (and others) since ’95, and I’m still catching up. That’s probably
why it’s become a career rather than a task.
Cheers,
-Lauren Crane
Tokyo Electron
From: Nyffenegger, Dave
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 1:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Intro to Safety
If you
Frank, There are more standards than you can ever learn. Most safety
standards are written about the same way (strange, as the same risks/exposures
exist across standards); it is reasonably straightforward to move between
equipment safety standards. The product certification key is to pick
: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:15 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Intro to Safety
Hi Compliance Peers,
I'm fairly new to compliance, with 4-5 years EMC experience on ITE products for
Americas, Europe, Asia, and some Nebs understanding.
Recently began a new opportunity,
Hi Compliance Peers,I'm fairly new to compliance, with 4-5 years EMC experience
on ITE products for Americas, Europe, Asia, and some Nebs understanding.
Recently began a new opportunity, which encompasses EMC and Product Safety for
automation.
Only begun reading SEMI S2/S8, and IEC 61010
Dear Colleagues
In our Concord (suburb north of Toronto, Canada) location we have an opening
for a product safety specialist for our small A2LA accredited product safety
laboratory.
We are looking not only for someone who is familiar with testing to EN/IEC
60950 and IEC 62368 but equally
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I am only attendant and do not have any relationship wit
ppropriate requirements including the
60950-22 requirements before any evaluation is started.
:>) br, Pete
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
PO Box 23427
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From: Jim Hulbert
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:16 PM
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Subject: Laser Safety
Hi. I would like to confirm laser safety requirements in an industrial machine
under the U.S. FDA regulations. If a Class II laser module (purchased OEM) is
installed in an indus
as demonstrating
no beam exits your product). However if you are counting on attenuation rather
than blocking, with a Class II beam source you are probably going to have to
measure to demonstrate compliance to class I levels.
3. Safety interlocks are only required in certain circumstances
Hi. I would like to confirm laser safety requirements in an industrial machine
under the U.S. FDA regulations. If a Class II laser module (purchased OEM) is
installed in an industrial type machine, my understanding is that the machine
manufacturer must adhere to the following requirements:
1
for outdoor use.
If you are planning to use UL, they can be convinced to create an outdoor
conveyor category, since UL 73 does include outdoor equipment requirements.
This process takes some time to accomplish and might not be completed before
you’re ready to ship safety certified product
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Hi, Doug—
Many thanks for the advice, and for the conveyor pub. The guarding figures and
accompanying rationale are really well done. I’m quickly learning that
conveyor systems in general are rather complex beasties concerning machinery
safety!
Best regards,
Chet Summers
From: Doug Nix
Hi Chet,
I don’t have any opinion as to UL 73, as I am not familiar with that standard,
sorry. I just wanted to be sure that the mechanical safety aspects were not
forgotten.
There are some excellent ISO standards that you might also find useful,
although they are aimed at a broader audience
: [PSES] safety standards--outdoor electric machine
Hi Chester,
Don’t forget that this kind of equipment should conform to ASME B20.1, Safety
Standard for Conveyors and Related Equipment.
Doug Nix
d...@ieee.org<mailto:d...@ieee.org>
+1 (519) 729-5704
On 16-Oct-18, at 12:03, Chester S
Hi Chester,
Don’t forget that this kind of equipment should conform to ASME B20.1, Safety
Standard for Conveyors and Related Equipment.
Doug Nix
d...@ieee.org
+1 (519) 729-5704
> On 16-Oct-18, at 12:03, Chester Summers wrote:
>
> Hello, listmates—
>
> I’m scoping North Amer
Hello, listmates-
I'm scoping North American electrical safety standards for an a.c. mains
powered, portable conveyor system to support an outdoor construction process.
Used to assist in handling pipe lining fabric at the jobsite. The motor will
likely be no greater than ¾ HP single
Hi,
We're in need of a Functional Safety expert to join our project. Please
respond directly to me.
Best Regards,
John
jral...@productsafetyinc.com
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quot;been there, done that" a few more times than I rather care to
remember L.
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From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
Sent: 09 October 2018 18:58
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] safety test equipment
Employer is focusing on
Employer is focusing on a smaller segment of the power industry. Myself and
test equipment no longer needed are being eliminated.
Following list of safety test equipment is free to good home. Your company
provides shipping. And you must agree to incorporate the various Klingon rites
of
Hello,
We're looking for a Staff Product Safety Engineer at Thermo Fisher Scientific.
Position is based in Sunnyvale, CA and will cover UL/EN 61010-1 for Analytical
Instruments.
Please apply through the following link:
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
I have seen many reports from Field Evaluations where the inspector could not
determine if a section was a pass or fail, so it was marked down as a FAIL or
Non
:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:43 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
Having, over the years (!), seen a few TRF’s, I totally agree with the 1st
sentence below – absolutely of no use to the “average” engineer in
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:06
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
Interesting,
Seems like the test lab has put together their own criteria. The official TRF
has this information.
Possible test
Hi Doug
The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC 62368.
Kevin
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Kevin J Harris
Cc: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
Interesting question/
Can you
Or it could have or have not applied…
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
Curt
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 2:55 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
essarily reflect those of
> my employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin J Harris
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> On test templates from several
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin J Harris
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
Does the testing involve Schroedinger’s cat?
Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
From: Kevin J Harris
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
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Subject: [PSES] Safety Test
>
>
> *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
> *To:* Kevin J Harris
> *Cc:* EMC-PSTC
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Interesting question/
>
>
>
> Can you be more specifi
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>
>
> Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?
>
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reason behind this sort of double statement?
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Kevin
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Juniper Networks has an open position for Compliance/Safety Engineer at
Sunnyvale location.
Major focus is on Product Safety: design, testing, report writing, planning.
NEBS, Telecom and Wireless are desired.
Please see full description at:
https://careers.juniper.net/careers/careers
may even be successful in some of the efforts.
So much philosophizing; good luck in fixing
the world.
:>) br, Pete
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
PO Box 23427
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e feel that the requirements or the application of
>> requirements is either too strict or too slack our only recourse is to get
>> (directly or indirectly) involved in fixing things (in which managers and
>> technical folks excel) by joining a technical committee or lobbying the
&
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening
You have misunderstood. The effect occurs with extension cables, usually fitted
with four sockets in a line. It does not occur with wall sockets, even
surface-mounted, because the sockets are large enough to prevent
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Well, strictly, an electric shock incident would be a 'two-fault'
situation - plug reversed AND conducting object inserted into the live
socket. In general, two-fault situations ar
reflect those of my
employer or the Society of People Who Like to Put Metal Objects in Outlets
(SPWLPMOO).
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even be successful in some of the efforts.
So much philosophizing; good luck in fixing the
world.
:>) br, Pete
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant
PO Box 23427
Tigard, ORe 97281-3427
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gt; some of the efforts.
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>
>
> So much philosophizing; good luck in fixing the world.
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From: Scott Xe
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety desi
uire specific approved bodies for issuing certification like UK?
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Scott
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Also used in Malta
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