Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > This effect was discussed at length when we made the first 'test' cases for > our tv cameras out of alu we had cad plated back in 1960 and discovered > that no amount of cad plating could protect them from 8 hours over the side > of an LST 50 miles west of San Diego. I am N

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:53:29 AM Mark Cason did opine: > On 02/13/2012 10:03 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Monday, February 13, 2012 10:21:08 PM Jon Elson did opine: > >> gene heskett wrote: > >>> Guy's, maybe I don't understand cutting alu as well as I thought. > >>> > >>> All along, I

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: >> >> Roland Jollivet wrote: >> >>> >> Taken directly from the OSG 2-3 flute carbide end mill section. >> >> dia rpm feed (ipm) >> .01510 7.1 >> .02062000 7.9 >> 0.034 7.9 >> 0.0625 21200 7.9 >> 5/641600

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Cason
On 02/13/2012 10:03 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, February 13, 2012 10:21:08 PM Jon Elson did opine: > >> gene heskett wrote: >>> Guy's, maybe I don't understand cutting alu as well as I thought. >>> >>> All along, I have believed that it was more important to keep the >>> oxygen in the air

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 11:04:19 PM Dean Hedin did opine: > Yep, sorry, thought they had the high helix in the small size. > They do have pretty good prices otherwise. I've bought quite a bit of > stuff from them in the past and had good experience. - NVI > > Get the short flute length if

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 10:21:08 PM Jon Elson did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > Guy's, maybe I don't understand cutting alu as well as I thought. > > > > All along, I have believed that it was more important to keep the > > oxygen in the air away from the cutting surface in order to slow

Re: [Emc-users] Gladevcp question, mdi command widget

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Chris Morley wrote: > Tom > > What version on EMC are you using and how long ago has it been updated? > I have a cursor in my MDI history widget and I think it's because Michael > added a fix to gladevcp. > > If you are using master then that fix has not made it th

Re: [Emc-users] Gladevcp question, mdi command widget

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Chris Morley wrote: > Tom > > What version on EMC are you using and how long ago has it been updated? > I have a cursor in my MDI history widget and I think it's because Michael > added a fix to gladevcp. > > If you are using master then that fix has not made it th

Re: [Emc-users] Gladevcp question, mdi command widget

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Morley
> I see that there an MDI command widget in Glade. We were just complaining > that it is a shame that Axis has a manual tab and an MDI tab that are > separate. If I want to be able to jog in MDI mode, why not? There should be > one screen to control everything. Anyway, I went to Gladevcp

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:23 PM, dave wrote: > >        I did find a Russian video using alcohol for cooling. I am not surprised---and I am sure that gherkins and bacon were involved too (an old joke from where I grew up: Medical team in an operating theater, lights, lots of surgical tools, peo

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Dean Hedin
Yep, sorry, thought they had the high helix in the small size. They do have pretty good prices otherwise. I've bought quite a bit of stuff from them in the past and had good experience. - NVI Get the short flute length if you can tolerate it. -Original Message- From: Mark Cason [mailto:

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > > > Guy's, maybe I don't understand cutting alu as well as I thought. > > All along, I have believed that it was more important to keep the oxygen in > the air away from the cutting surface in order to slow the formation of alu > oxide on the surface, which in normal air,

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 08:59:31 PM dave did opine: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:09:47 +0200 > > Roland Jollivet wrote: > > On 13 February 2012 21:38, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Monday, February 13, 2012 02:24:49 PM Roland Jollivet did opine: > > > > ..snip > > > > > > > > I would imagine..

[Emc-users] Gladevcp question, mdi command widget

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
I see that there an MDI command widget in Glade. We were just complaining that it is a shame that Axis has a manual tab and an MDI tab that are separate. If I want to be able to jog in MDI mode, why not? There should be one screen to control everything. Anyway, I went to Gladevcp and found t

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 08:17:33 PM Roland Jollivet did opine: > But.. you can take almost any piece aluminium lying around (not > anodised), lightly touch it with the blunt rounded side of two > crocodile clips, and you'll measure a few milliohms. What happened to > the oxide layer? It's so

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread dave
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:09:47 +0200 Roland Jollivet wrote: > On 13 February 2012 21:38, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Monday, February 13, 2012 02:24:49 PM Roland Jollivet did opine: > > > > > ..snip > > > > > > I would imagine... that the oxide layer is way way thinner than a > > > micron in thi

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday : > > We have not noticed that any parts on the machine get warm to the touch. > Tom, thank You for sharing! I asked about the heat because I once had a talk with local guys that are local dealers of some foreign plasma table manufacturer and that were thinking about buildi

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
I should also add that the spec (1.6Nm) is continuous torque. I am sure for some number of seconds it can do MUCH higher than that... Tom -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online l

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/2/13 Tom Easterday : >> >> We have the Keling KL-34GH101 10:1 gearboxes on the >> X and Y joints (http://kelinginc.net/CNCGEARBOX.html) >> with a 2" diameter pinion gear. >> > > According to my calcs, with 1,6Nm rated motor torque, theor

[Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 13 February 2012 21:38, gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, February 13, 2012 02:24:49 PM Roland Jollivet did opine: > > > ..snip > > > > I would imagine... that the oxide layer is way way thinner than a micron > > in thickness, and while tough as you say, in climb milling the cutter > > tip will

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 02:24:49 PM Roland Jollivet did opine: > ..snip > > I would imagine... that the oxide layer is way way thinner than a micron > in thickness, and while tough as you say, in climb milling the cutter > tip will hit the metal and with the eggshell effect, simply push past

[Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 13 February 2012 20:59, gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, February 13, 2012 11:53:57 AM Bruce Klawiter did opine: > > > I do a ton of work with small cutters and in aluminum, I use a coolant > > mister with alcohol, I use as much air as possible and just enough > > alcohol to keep the part wet.

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 11:53:57 AM Bruce Klawiter did opine: > I do a ton of work with small cutters and in aluminum, I use a coolant > mister with alcohol, I use as much air as possible and just enough > alcohol to keep the part wet. The parts feel like they were in the > freezer when I am

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > > This particular sheet of alu seems to be dead soft. The chips it was > making looked about the right size spinning around in the oil. > Well, that may be the problem. You do NOT want to keep recutting the same chips. You want a steady stream of something to remove the

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread John Thornton
Ok, thanks I'll keep the part level in mind when I mod my water table. I'm using a Hypertherm 1250 with a machine torch and I do know that if I keep the bottom of the part wet then I get a whole lot less smoke and dust. I have a small insert that I use for small parts that I can fill to the top

Re: [Emc-users] Filters [Was: question on gcode parsing]

2012-02-13 Thread Alan
Two points, firstly after sending my first mail I have been thinking in terms of intermediate languages, which have a successful history from pascal onwards. I guess the gcode standard RS274NGC could be that intermediate language with the result that little need be done to change the current sy

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday : > > We have the Keling KL-34GH101 10:1 gearboxes on the > X and Y joints (http://kelinginc.net/CNCGEARBOX.html) > with a 2" diameter pinion gear. > According to my calcs, with 1,6Nm rated motor torque, theoretically You are getting 630 N of continuous linear force. In pr

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > I have a question about steel hardening (I really hope that this is the > correct word in English to describe that process), when plasma-cutting a > material that is submerged in water. How much does it really occur and > how much difficulties w

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday : > > We talk about the distance in the Motors section. We have the > Keling KL-34GH101 10:1 gearboxes on the X and Y joints > (http://kelinginc.net/CNCGEARBOX.html) with a 2" diameter > pinion gear. 1 rev moves the truck 0.6283”. > Sorry, now that You mention I really foun

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Tom Easterday wrote: > > The torch we have is not designed to cut fully submerged (Hypertherm > Powermax54) That should be Powermax 45. 220, 221, whatever it takes :-) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX3kxAA2L4Q) -Tom ---

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, John Thornton wrote: > Tom, > > Wow! what a nice write up. > > I use a mix of sodium nitrite and physan 20 in my water. I noticed your > water is green, what are you using? Lube Corp., Green Cut (http://www.greencut.com/). We used it because we had it sitting arou

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > > In wiki I did not see any file for a diagram, but HAL file comment says: > # Define Singals (see block diagram for comments) > I see you found the logic diagra. > > 2) I have another 2 questions about the servo motors. Do I understand > co

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Bruce Klawiter
I do a ton of work with small cutters and in aluminum, I use a coolant mister with alcohol, I use as much air as possible and just enough alcohol to keep the part wet. The parts feel like they were in the freezer when I am done. As Jon said keep the work cold. Bruce

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Tom Easterday
On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > Tom, Peter, > > Very nice! and well documented > > actually I think this should go into master configs/ alltogether - this is a > great starter for others and a better GladeVCP example than what I cooked up > so far > > - Michael > > act

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Viesturs Lācis : > > > Any chance You might share something, because now I do not see a > chance to understand the logics, how is all the THC thing working. > My apologies, I had missed the link to PDF file. Viesturs -

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread John Thornton
Tom, Wow! what a nice write up. I use a mix of sodium nitrite and physan 20 in my water. I noticed your water is green, what are you using? How does cutting submerged work? I've been wanting to modify my water table to do this for some time... John On 2/12/2012 4:29 PM, Tom Easterday wrote: >

Re: [Emc-users] Two side routing

2012-02-13 Thread Erik Friesen
One thing that could be a factor I suppose.. I am using the probotix 40v system, it uses a sla7078mr stepper driver. There is no shielding on the cables to the motor, and whenever I am routing plastic, if I run the vacuum too close, static discharge does something somewhere, and the drivers, or s

Re: [Emc-users] Back to taskset usage ramifications

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/13/2012 07:30 AM, gene heskett wrote: >> Gene, >> >> Yeah, atop does run as a daemon collecting info in the background. If >> you crank up atop on the command line with the -s switch, you get a neat >> screen which shows what CPU the process is running on. On my Ubuntu >> 11.10 with a quad

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday : > Peter Jensen and I have posted a wiki page documenting our build of a > trivkins based gantry-style plasma machine running Linuxcnc with Gladevcp   > (as well as pyvcp), constructed over the last year.   I linked the page to > the "User Configurations" section of the m

Re: [Emc-users] Back to taskset usage ramifications

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:27:42 AM Mark Wendt did opine: > On 02/12/2012 01:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: > >> Gene, > >> > >> About tracking that occasional blip on the isolcpu, have you used > >> atop? Consider it a "top" on steroids. It shows processes running > >> much like top, but also

Re: [Emc-users] Two side routing

2012-02-13 Thread Erik Friesen
These are long reach 2 flute, they do flex a bit. I suppose I could be losing steps, but it always finishes pretty well at zero, not .1 off. On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Erik Friesen wrote: > > I have been puzzling over how to deal with double sided routing of 1" > pvc.

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:26:20 AM charles green did opine: > danger! the coated tools are terrible on aluminum. the coating has a > micro roughness that nucleates chip welding of soft aluminum. coatings > are good for lubricity of hard material chips against the cutter, but a > mirror sm

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:22:12 AM andy pugh did opine: > On 13 February 2012 01:10, gene heskett wrote: > > So, I need to find a more suitable mill for this, I assume only 1 or 2 > > flute, and maybe only 1/8" of working bit. > > Can you use 1.5mm and afford to wait a week or so? > http:/

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:18:35 AM Erik Christiansen did opine: > On 13.02.12 01:10, gene heskett wrote: > > This particular sheet of alu seems to be dead soft. The chips it was > > making looked about the right size spinning around in the oil. > > > > I don't have water out there other th

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:13:26 AM Mark Cason did opine: > On 02/13/2012 12:21 AM, gene heskett wrote: > >> I have their 2011/12 catalog, and it shows 1/8" as their smallest > >> high helix carbide cutter. > > > > If the price is good, then it might worth downloading the catalog, but > > it

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:03:03 AM Greg Bernard did opine: > Gene- > Sounds like your problem is mostly due to the crappy aluminum. I had > that happen this weekend cutting an aluminum sign using customer > supplied material. I did a dry run with a .07 2 flute in some 6061 > alloy (which cut

Re: [Emc-users] LiveCD

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/12/2012 02:48 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Greg Bernard wrote: > > >> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) >> From: Greg Bernard >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LiveCD >> >> Tom's instructions are correct but remember tha

Re: [Emc-users] Back to taskset usage ramifications

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/12/2012 01:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: >> Gene, >> >> About tracking that occasional blip on the isolcpu, have you used atop? >> Consider it a "top" on steroids. It shows processes running much like >> top, but also displays what cpu they are running on. Here's the atop >> web site: http://

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread charles green
danger!  the coated tools are terrible on aluminum.  the coating has a micro roughness that nucleates chip welding of soft aluminum.  coatings are good for lubricity of hard material chips against the cutter, but a mirror smooth surface is best for carbide in aluminum. --- On Mon, 2/13/12, andy

Re: [Emc-users] LiveCD

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/12/2012 11:36 AM, Tom Easterday wrote: > On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > > >>> But... (I think) I can't actually run EMC because it wants to install a >>> >> Install the config file on a USB key? >> > And, it is easy to create a bootable usb flashdriv

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16" end mill

2012-02-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 February 2012 01:10, gene heskett wrote: > So, I need to find a more suitable mill for this, I assume only 1 or 2 > flute, and maybe only 1/8" of working bit. Can you use 1.5mm and afford to wait a week or so? http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-386/TiAlN-Coated-Tungsten-Micrograin/Detail

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Haberler
Tom, Peter, Very nice! and well documented actually I think this should go into master configs/ alltogether - this is a great starter for others and a better GladeVCP example than what I cooked up so far - Michael actually I learned somehing - the fixed layout widget gives nice looking result