Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Bari
On 7/16/20 12:18 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: But all that lumber padding under the head, supporting it because the drive isn't, its not possible to see the spindle. IMO that needs to be subject to an on-site inspection. That also could hide some pretty bad table divots. To warrant that low an

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 16:15:23 Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:08:52 + > > From: Todd Zuercher > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread andrew beck
John do you have any details on the new stumble drives? Regards Andrew On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 1:54 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > For that price, rip out the guts and replace the works with COTS units. > You end up with single phase. Possibly only a 3HP spindle but do you need > a bigger one? The

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
Some of those large, high-end Japanese names have temperature sensors installed throughout the frame, which they use to compensate for thermal expansion. Curious if anyone has ever done that with LinuxCNC? Steel thermal expansion coefficient is around 6 parts per million per degree

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users [mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net] > Sent: July-15-20 7:39 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Cc: Gregg Eshelman > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working. > > What about using the target OS's standard

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
Since Lazarus is free and runs on PCs with Windows or Linux or on MACs or on Raspberry Pi, it's well worth the effort to learn how to write programs with it. SimpleProgrammingLesson := ON; You could write a command line oriented program or even supply text file with the parameters. Or in

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/15/2020 09:03 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Looks like a Yasnac control. I zoomed in on the MPG. It is labeled Yasnac. Ahh, more complicated than I thought. Some models had Fanuc, but I did not recognize that control panel. I don't know Yasnac, but they may be less proprietary than

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/15/2020 08:51 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: For that price, rip out the guts and replace the works with COTS units. You end up with single phase. Possibly only a 3HP spindle but do you need a bigger one? The Chinese AC Servos appear to be pretty good. Even the squeal problem from my

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/15/2020 07:40 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: After 3 decades of working with Turbo Pascal and then Delphi, Tcl/Python to me is such a step backwards it's painful to use. Yes, I'm with you. I wrote some big programs in Pascal a LONG time ago. The biggest one was a Gerber file to raster

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
What about using the target OS's standard interface APIs like file dialog boxes? I've seen so many programs that have their own custom dialog boxes that do the same things as the ones provided by the OS, which exist so software authors don't have to create them. Supposed to make software easier

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
A good photographer can use lighting to wash out dirt and stains. It may not look as clean when you are standing beside it. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 9:03 PM Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Looks like a Yasnac control. I zoomed in on the MPG. It is labeled Yasnac. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:54 PM John

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Looks like a Yasnac control. I zoomed in on the MPG. It is labeled Yasnac. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:54 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > For that price, rip out the guts and replace the works with COTS units. > You end up with single phase. Possibly only a 3HP spindle but do you need > a bigger one?

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
For that price, rip out the guts and replace the works with COTS units. You end up with single phase. Possibly only a 3HP spindle but do you need a bigger one? The Chinese AC Servos appear to be pretty good. Even the squeal problem from my spindle 1.8kW motor was a parameter error. Quickly

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread andrew beck
Looks pretty good to me. As Jon said fanuc servos are a pain. But so is heidenhain lol. Regards Andrew On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:12 AM Todd Zuercher wrote: > Would this machine look like a good candidate for a Linuxcnc retrofit? > >

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
The stuff that uses the limit2 was cut and pasted from a web page. I never expected it to work first time. In each case it's something like this: # hijack the spindle speed out and send it to spindle ramp in net spindle-cmd <= motion.spindle-speed-out => spindle-ramp.in The error message is

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 01:43, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Now granted Python has some nice features. So perhaps look at QT / Python? https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/share/qtvcp/screens/qtaxis (I have to plead ignorance of what one uses to edit a QT .ui file) -- atp "A motorcycle

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
After 3 decades of working with Turbo Pascal and then Delphi, Tcl/Python to me is such a step backwards it's painful to use. And explains why Linux has such a preponderance of command line programs to do everything. When it's difficult and tedious to create graphical applications programmers

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 01:13, John Dammeyer wrote: > I've commented out the 4 lines that cause it not to start. The actual error message when LinuxCNC fails to start would help. But, perhaps you have a separate spindle.hal file that conflicts with the nets you made? -- atp "A motorcycle is a

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Todd Zuercher
But the Mori is only an hour drive away (vs 2 states away.) Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street  Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: Bari Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 4:29 PM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re:

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
OK Couldn't resist... # # load real time a limit2 and a near with names so it is easier to follow loadrt limit2 names=spindle-ramp loadrt near names=spindle-at-speed # add the functions to a

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 00:36, John Dammeyer wrote: > At some point in time I'll probably rewrite the entire AXIS interface in Free > Pascal. But not right now... MoccaGUI, on which Gmoccapy is based, was written in FreePascal. I suspect that one reason it wasn't made mainline was a reluctance

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> > and some other stuff to hijack the values but so far that hasn't worked and > > LinuxCNC won't start. > > What's the error message? All that you posted looked OK, unless I am > scanning over the same error as you are. I didn't post all of it. The part I posted should work fine. It's the

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread andy pugh
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 00:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Unless I add stuff to the HAL file apparently there is no accel/deccel values > that are applied to the PWM output to the spindle. My scope tells me it goes > from 10V to 0V in about 50mS. I remember talking about this on IRC, but can't

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
Unless I add stuff to the HAL file apparently there is no accel/deccel values that are applied to the PWM output to the spindle. My scope tells me it goes from 10V to 0V in about 50mS. There is stuff I can add to the HAL: # load real time a limit2 and a near with names so it is easier to

Re: [Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread Groups
It might be worth adding a slower de-acceleration value for the spindle as a heavier tool may trip the servo. Cheers Peter Peter Homann - (from my mobile) http://www.homanndesigns.com > On 16 Jul 2020, at 7:48 am, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Progress. Bergerda AC Servo driving the Spindle

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: July-15-20 3:01 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate? > > On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 21:11, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 21:11, Todd Zuercher wrote: > https://hgrinc.com/productDetail/CNC/Used-Mori-Seiki-Mori-Seiki-Mv4540-CNC-VMC/0120091/ How weird: "Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator." -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is

[Emc-users] New Spindle working.

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
Progress. Bergerda AC Servo driving the Spindle with a V belt still but at least driving it. MESA 7i92H PWM, small module from China for 0V-10V. S1000, F5 and M3 and M5 commands to start and stop. https://youtu.be/VvXMoC917O0 Next step somehow incorporate an encoder onto the spindle to

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/15/2020 03:08 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote: Would this machine look like a good candidate for a Linuxcnc retrofit? https://hgrinc.com/productDetail/CNC/Used-Mori-Seiki-Mori-Seiki-Mv4540-CNC-VMC/0120091/ Anyone familiar with these, are there a good reasons not to buy it? (Or good reasons to

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread John Dammeyer
Wow! Weighs in at 18,750 lbs. Requires 29,000 KVA from 3 phase. I'd love to have something like that but I suspect my shop floor would crack. I'm lucky that I have a pole with 3 wires so I could pay huge to get 3 phase installed. But my converted car port ceiling is probably too low.

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Bari
Looks really nice. If the spindle is good then it's a good price. There is a pair of Matsuura 500's on ebay for $1200ea or best that are running. On 7/15/20 3:08 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote: Would this machine look like a good candidate for a Linuxcnc retrofit?

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, Todd Zuercher wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:08:52 + From: Todd Zuercher Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: [Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate? Would this machine look like a good candidate for a Linuxcnc

[Emc-users] Retrofit Candidate?

2020-07-15 Thread Todd Zuercher
Would this machine look like a good candidate for a Linuxcnc retrofit? https://hgrinc.com/productDetail/CNC/Used-Mori-Seiki-Mori-Seiki-Mv4540-CNC-VMC/0120091/ Anyone familiar with these, are there a good reasons not to buy it? (Or good reasons to buy it?) Is this a good price? I don't see a

Re: [Emc-users] off topic: pwm with a stepper driver/motor

2020-07-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 08:29:55 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:40:50 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 July 2020 00:58:43 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > > > There are sine wave controllers that do various smoothing things > > > to run steppers smooth and

Re: [Emc-users] off topic: pwm with a stepper driver/motor

2020-07-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 07:40:50 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2020 00:58:43 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > > There are sine wave controllers that do various smoothing things to > > run steppers smooth and silent. Trinamic calls it Spread Cycle and > > Stealth Chop.

Re: [Emc-users] off topic: pwm with a stepper driver/motor

2020-07-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 July 2020 00:58:43 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > There are sine wave controllers that do various smoothing things to > run steppers smooth and silent. Trinamic calls it Spread Cycle and > Stealth Chop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sJlGh9WNY On Tuesday, > July 14,