[Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary table, such as rust, poor gear meshing, eccentricity etc. I took off the motor and even the lovejoy coupling. The motor,

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Peter C. Wallace
4th axis motor rotor movement I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary table, such as rust, poor gear meshing, eccentricity etc. I took off the motor

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread jros
... From this, I conclude that this is a feedback based issue, such as the resolver or resolver converter somehow being behind and ahead on reporting its position, which leads to uneven rate of speed. Any ideas? Sounds like classic quadrature error in the resolver. Are you sure you

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Peter C. Wallace
@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 07:43:42AM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: The way this system works is that the motor has a little tiny toothed belt going to the resolver, wires from resolver go into Resolver to Quadrature Encoder Converter I have three of these -- they work great. There is a

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 07:43:42AM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: The way this system works is that the motor has a little tiny toothed belt going to the resolver, wires from resolver go into Resolver to Quadrature

[Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread cogoman
Though it appears obvious that you aren't having this problem, since on a lot of discussions on PID timing, people seem to overlook this, I just want to mention this for the one guy listening who might be bitten by this otherwise. When you take a servo motor off a machine, you unload a

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
I agree, but what I saw was not PID oscillations. This only occurred during moves. I do think very strongly that I see some deficiency in resolver output. i On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, cogoman cogo...@optimum.net wrote: Though it appears obvious that you aren't having this problem,

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread gene heskett
Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, January 29, 2011 04:25:23 pm Igor Chudov did opine: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 07:43:42AM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: The way this system works is that the motor has a little tiny toothed belt going

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread andy pugh
On 29 January 2011 19:51, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: What sort of a DVM would work? One set to measure AC RMS. -- atp Torque wrenches are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men -- Special

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary table, such as rust, poor gear meshing, eccentricity etc. I took off the motor and even the

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I am working on getting 4th axis to work. While it does move as commanded, it does so in a visibly jerky way. At first I thought that it was mechanical issue inside the rotary table, such as

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
Another finding, somewhat surprising. These speedups/slowdowns occur four times in a complete circles. This means that as the shaft turns one full turn, it would slow down four times and speed up four times. So, something happens in every quarter of a full turn. i

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
Been reading the datasheet for the resolver: 11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/Harowe-Resolvers/11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf It calls for input voltage of 12 volts. I think that I give it much less than that, 4.7 volts or so. This could explain why things are bad in every

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:25:41 am Igor Chudov did opine: Been reading the datasheet for the resolver: 11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/Harowe-Resolvers/11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf It calls for input voltage of 12 volts. I think that I give it much less than

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Igor Chudov
Complete and perfect answer found, see my email titled complete victory over resolver. The answer is that I had to reconfigure PICO resolver converter board to use a lower input voltage. But see my other email for full detail.

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Jon, assuming that the jerky movement of the motor is due to bad reading of resolver, EMC2 may think that the motor actually moves smoothly. Yes, that is possible! If the resolver is fouled up in some manner, there may be a large bunching of counts coming out of the

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Another finding, somewhat surprising. These speedups/slowdowns occur four times in a complete circles. This means that as the shaft turns one full turn, it would slow down four times and speed up four times. So, something happens in every quarter of a full turn. Yes,

Re: [Emc-users] Jerky 4th axis motor rotor movement

2011-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Been reading the datasheet for the resolver: 11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/Harowe-Resolvers/11BRW-300-F10-10.pdf It calls for input voltage of 12 volts. I think that I give it much less than that, 4.7 volts or so. The resolver is a