[Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Igor Chudov
I have a routine that lets me mill a deep circle in several passes, typically to cutout circles from plates. Something strange is going on and the resulting shape is not exactly round. It can be best described as a circle with humps. The routine is below. It is basically a while loop, milling pro

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 September 2012 19:20, Igor Chudov wrote: > I have a routine that lets me mill a deep circle in several passes, > typically to cutout circles from plates. You ought to be able to do this with one line of G-code? G2 I[http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread dave
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 13:20 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: > I have a routine that lets me mill a deep circle in several passes, > typically to cutout circles from plates. > > Something strange is going on and the resulting shape is not exactly round. > It can be best described as a circle with humps.

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread N. Christopher Perry
Igor, I don't have an answer for you, other than to check on how you've defined you trajectory planning accuracy outside of this routine. Why are you using two half circles? You could just send the cutter back to the starting xy location in a single G2 instruction. N. Christopher Perry On Se

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Igor Chudov
Andy, thanks, what is P? Number of passes? The problem is that the lumps do not look like caused by backlash. There is one place where there is a lump, caused by all passes except the first one. I am very puzzled. i On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 25 September 2012 19:

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 September 2012 20:01, Igor Chudov wrote: > Andy, thanks, what is P? Number of passes? Yes. > The problem is that the lumps do not look like caused by backlash. Odd, then. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
How big are the "humps"? How many are there? Are you in exact stop mode? If motion stops at the beginning/end of each semicircle then you will get a little hump from springback during the pause. Lead-in & out are typ used when cutting IDs to prevent that. Stephen -

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > How big are the "humps"? How many are there? > > There is one big hump on an about 4 inch circle. This hump is about 1mm tall and 20mm wide. It appears consistently on all passes, except the first one. There is also a much smaller hump

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread dave
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > How big are the "humps"? How many are there? > > Are you in exact stop mode? If motion stops at the beginning/end of > each semicircle then you will get a little hump from springback during > the pause. Lead-in & out are typ used when

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Igor Chudov
Humps are 1) Northwest corner, biggest hump, 1mm tall by 20mm wide 2) Northeast corner, 0.5mm by 15mm wide On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:08 PM, dave wrote: > On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > > How big are the "humps"? How many are there? > > > > Are you in exact stop mo

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Ben Potter
so be tempted to use G2 I J Z P directly to rule out any... odd motion planning. Ben -Original Message- From: Igor Chudov [mailto:ichu...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 September 2012 21:31 To: dengv...@charter.net; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Terry Christophersen
way to do most everything. Terry - Original Message - From: dave To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF? On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: >

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > Andy, thanks, what is P? Number of passes? > > The problem is that the lumps do not look like caused by backlash. > > There is one place where there is a lump, caused by all passes except the > first one. I am very puzzled. > Can you blow up the Axis plot window and see the

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > Humps are > > 1) Northwest corner, biggest hump, 1mm tall by 20mm wide > 2) Northeast corner, 0.5mm by 15mm wide > This has to be a program error. And, you should be able to EASILY see this on the Axis 3D display. Load the program, and then use the mouse buttons to tilt t

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2012 23:23:36 Igor Chudov did opine: > I have a routine that lets me mill a deep circle in several passes, > typically to cutout circles from plates. > > Something strange is going on and the resulting shape is not exactly > round. It can be best described as a circle with

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-26 Thread Igor Chudov
I am beginning to suspect that perhaps the screws that are used to tram the head are not tight. I will check. Igor On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2012 23:23:36 Igor Chudov did opine: > > > I have a routine that lets me mill a deep circle in sever

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-26 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > I am beginning to suspect that perhaps the screws that are used to tram the > head are not tight. I will check. > Oh, well, that is an entirely different matter. You should be able to put a bar in the spindle and try to rock it. Jon --

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-26 Thread Igor Chudov
I am highly embarrassed, but I will confess anyway, the problem was that the bolts holding the head, worked loose. I tightened them and milled out perfect circles with beautiful finish. Thanks, guys! i On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Igor Chudov wrote: > > I am beginning

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-27 Thread John Stewart
Igor; > I am highly embarrassed, but I will confess anyway, the problem was that > the bolts holding the head, worked loose. > > I tightened them and milled out perfect circles with beautiful finish. Sometimes the simplest, easiest solutions are the hardest ones to find. I just spent a good few

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-27 Thread Dave Caroline
I favorite thing that happened to a few of us at a previous job fixing electronic kits (amplifiers tuners etc) one sits there scope probe in hand probing everywhere on the board and someone wanders by and says I would work better if you switch it on! I have been on both sides of that one :) Dave

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-27 Thread Dave
Having done customer support in the past on PLC related equipment, you quickly learn that when someone calls you with a problem where they can't communicate with it, it is no longer operational etc; The first question you always ask, is there a power on light on the front of the controller, and

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-27 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > I am highly embarrassed, but I will confess anyway, the problem was that > the bolts holding the head, worked loose. > > I tightened them and milled out perfect circles with beautiful finish. > Well, the only surprise is that the machine worked at all, I'd think with the he

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-28 Thread Jason Burton
On Sep 26, 2012 9:55 PM, "Igor Chudov" wrote: > > I am highly embarrassed, but I will confess anyway, the problem was that > the bolts holding the head, worked loose. > > I tightened them and milled out perfect circles with beautiful finish. > > Thanks, guys! > > i > > When I first tested my home

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-28 Thread John Stewart
Jason; IMHO, so far you win the prize! ;-) Another JohnS. On 2012-09-28, at 1:10 PM, Jason Burton wrote: > > In my fatigue the night before, I had run the point to point wiring without > insulation stripping to make sure everything would reach. As the build > finished later that night, I tighte

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-28 Thread cogoman
On 09/27/2012 09:41 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: > I would work better if you switch it on! There is someone at work who has done it to me so often that the first thing I say to her is "Did you plug it in? Did you turn it on?" One day she came to me and said something like "The computer's stuck i

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-28 Thread cogoman
On 09/27/2012 11:19 AM, Dave wrote: > The first question you always ask, is there a power on light on the > front of the controller, and what color is it? That way they look to > make sure it is actually on. The power on indicator lights were always > green, but they don't know that. What a grac

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-09-29 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 9/28/2012 9:13 PM, cogoman wrote: > On 09/27/2012 09:41 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: >> I would work better if you switch it on! > There is someone at work who has done it to me so often that the first > thing I say to her is "Did you plug it in? Did you turn it on?" > > One day she came to me a

Re: [Emc-users] Helical interpolation not quite round, WTF?

2012-10-03 Thread Jason Burton
Hi John, Thanks. I just wanted Igor to know he's in sympathetic company. :) Best, Jason On Sep 28, 2012 12:15 PM, "John Stewart" wrote: > > Jason; > > IMHO, so far you win the prize! ;-) > > Another JohnS. > > On 2012-09-28, at 1:10 PM, Jason Burton wrote: > > > > In my fatigue the night before