Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/29/2014 04:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 29 November 2014 14:23:01 Stuart Stevenson did opine And Gene did reply: seals create a lot of heat That is a problem I have never had unless the seal was bone dry, in which case it will quickly self-destruct anyway. Wet seals that are pr

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 29 November 2014 14:23:01 Stuart Stevenson did opine And Gene did reply: > seals create a lot of heat That is a problem I have never had unless the seal was bone dry, in which case it will quickly self-destruct anyway. Wet seals that are properly sized don't get hot. Nor do they wear

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Stuart Stevenson
seals create a lot of heat On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 29 November 2014 03:15:46 Marius Liebenberg did opine > And Gene did reply: > > On 2014-11-29 05:50, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 28 November 2014 16:31:58 Marius Liebenberg did opine > > > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 29 November 2014 03:15:46 Marius Liebenberg did opine And Gene did reply: > On 2014-11-29 05:50, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 28 November 2014 16:31:58 Marius Liebenberg did opine > > > > And Gene did reply: > >> On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote: > On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:0

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Robert Malterer
-- Original Message - From: "Marius Liebenberg" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems > Hi Robert > Thanks for the grease tip. I would have fitted normal wheel bearing > grease. I will see if I can find what

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-29 Thread Marius Liebenberg
On 2014-11-29 05:50, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 28 November 2014 16:31:58 Marius Liebenberg did opine > And Gene did reply: >> On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote: On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace wrote: Sounds like a faulty design to me. >>> Without a doubt, which

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:31:58 Marius Liebenberg did opine And Gene did reply: > On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote: > >> On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace > >> wrote: > >> > >> Sounds like a faulty design to me. > > > > Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed. > > And the

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
The bearings should have about a 20% fill. Don't fill the bearings full. On Nov 28, 2014 3:34 PM, "Marius Liebenberg" wrote: > > On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote: > > > > > >> On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace > wrote: > >> > >> Sounds like a faulty design to me. > > Without a doubt, wh

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Marius Liebenberg
On 2014-11-28 18:27, Andy Pugh wrote: > > >> On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace wrote: >> >> Sounds like a faulty design to me. > Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed. And the fact that there was absolutely no form of lubrication on them to start with and the hardening of the be

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 28 Nov 2014, at 16:09, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > Sounds like a faulty design to me. Without a doubt, which is why the bearings failed. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Act

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 07:59 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 28 November 2014 at 15:50, Kirk Wallace > wrote: >> In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate >> just as well or better, and carries away heat and dirt > > Oil will fall out. These bearings are mounted in the faces of an >

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 November 2014 at 15:50, Kirk Wallace wrote: > In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate > just as well or better, and carries away heat and dirt Oil will fall out. These bearings are mounted in the faces of an open-fronted box, and there are no seals as such eith

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/28/2014 03:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > Hi Robert > Thanks for the grease tip. I would have fitted normal wheel bearing > grease. I will see if I can find what you suggested over here or at > least something similar. In my opinion, grease should not be a first choice. Oil can lubricate

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Message - > From: "Marius Liebenberg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems > > >> A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is >> no gap or any prot

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-28 Thread Robert Malterer
Message - From: "Marius Liebenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems >A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is > no gap or any protrusion of the bearing race to grip on. > O

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 28 November 2014 00:13:25 Marius Liebenberg did opine And Gene did reply: > A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is > no gap or any protrusion of the bearing race to grip on. Whats chances you could drill into it at 180 degree opposing locations, switching

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
A puller like that would be nice to have but I am afraid that there is no gap or any protrusion of the bearing race to grip on. On 2014-11-27 22:49, Marcus Bowman wrote: > On 27 Nov 2014, at 20:21, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > >> I will do the weld bead tomorrow and hopefully it will come out withou

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 November 2014 at 20:49, Marcus Bowman wrote: > At this stage, unless you know someone with a puller like this, welding is > probably your only other option. Just make one on the Oh Never mind. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto ---

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 27 Nov 2014, at 20:21, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > I will do the weld bead tomorrow and hopefully it will come out without > too much trouble. It's a counsel of perfection, I guess, at this stage, but I would use a puller fitted with very thin lips at right angles to the legs. These are desi

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
On 2014-11-27 18:24, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 November 2014 at 16:13, Marius Liebenberg > wrote: >> BVC25A > That looks like a very close relative of mine. > On mine there were oilers on top of the head casting. Once I removed > the oilers and drilled the holes deep enough to reach the bearings

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I will do the weld bead tomorrow and hopefully it will come out without too much trouble. On 2014-11-27 19:30, Ed wrote: > On 11/27/2014 10:52 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: >> So a little bigger tap with a little bigger mallet did the job. The >> front bearing fell apart and is badly worn. >> Now t

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mine was also taper roller bearings. The front one was very badly worn. You should have earned me before but once this is sorted out it should be OK I hope. On 2014-11-27 18:24, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 November 2014 at 16:13, Marius Liebenberg > wrote: >> BVC25A > That looks like a very close r

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 11/27/2014 09:18 AM, Pete Matos wrote: > Never heard of that lathe. Does it have an oil bath in the headstock like a > lot of lathes? Good luck man> Peace > > Pete I found on my lathe that the back gear is used as an oil slinger. The problem is that I don't use the back gear much, so the gear

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Ed
On 11/27/2014 10:52 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > So a little bigger tap with a little bigger mallet did the job. The > front bearing fell apart and is badly worn. > Now the seat is stuck inside the headstock To take out a bearing cup I use an arc welder and run a bead of weld around the inside o

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Pete Matos
Also when I have a really bad stuck bearing race I usually run a tig weld around the OD of it and that usually frees it up and often cracks it enough to just hit it with a chisel and mallet and it falls off. I am sure you probably don't have a tig welder but if you cannot get it off you might take

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Pete Matos
Never heard of that lathe. Does it have an oil bath in the headstock like a lot of lathes? Good luck man> Peace Pete On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > Hi All > I finely got my lathe working and by the third part the spindle bearings > start to seize. Its a brand new

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Dave Caroline
Where there is no provision for pressing out I use a dremel and grind a slot to weaken inner or outer, needs care and a steady hand but has got me out of trouble a few times. Sharp tap with a chisel/punch to break it once weakened. Dave Caroline On 27/11/2014, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > So a lit

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
So a little bigger tap with a little bigger mallet did the job. The front bearing fell apart and is badly worn. Now the seat is stuck inside the headstock and the bearing piece is stuck to the shaft and I have no idea how to get it out. Anyone know how to get a stuck bearing seat out please? On

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 November 2014 at 16:13, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > BVC25A That looks like a very close relative of mine. On mine there were oilers on top of the head casting. Once I removed the oilers and drilled the holes deep enough to reach the bearings I had a way to inject insufficient quantities of t

[Emc-users] Lathe spindle bearing problems

2014-11-27 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi All I finely got my lathe working and by the third part the spindle bearings start to seize. Its a brand new BVC25A belt driven lathe. I managed to pack some grease in the back bearing when I first started with the build but there is no way to get to the front bearing. Does anyone know how to