Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-29 Thread Jon Elson
Mario. wrote: >On the speed servo... it needs to have some well-tuned pulsed power >system, because motors simply don't move at voltages of ~0.1V :-), >well, maybe except BDLC motors, which are already purely electronic >drive. > > > Voltage doesn't mean much to a servo motor. Current is what m

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-29 Thread Mario .
Yes, that is true :-), But if you make some ~1000 microsteps on a stepper, you will start to notice that no more is a "step" in question, but rather an increase in torque, or pressure and that the accuracy dropped down in load conditions... So, in smaller machines, where only slow speeds are planne

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Mario. wrote: >If power rating for the slow motion would be ~10W or so, a big, fast >microstepper stepper motor, like the Shinano Kenshi SKC83D I use could >do the job. With 250 microsteps per electrical phase I get 12500 >microsteps per revolution, what can get you really fluent motion. > >But th

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Ray Henry
Hi Mario There really is no good way to equate a stepper's digital motion with a velocity servo's analog motion. Many of the big time control makers try to get round this by using very high count encoders. Many of these are more than 2Meg counts per revolution. These kinds of systems still wor

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Mario .
If power rating for the slow motion would be ~10W or so, a big, fast microstepper stepper motor, like the Shinano Kenshi SKC83D I use could do the job. With 250 microsteps per electrical phase I get 12500 microsteps per revolution, what can get you really fluent motion. But that is the system of t

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: >Hi all, > >With a servo system using quadrature encoder feedback, what is the >slowest speed that can reliably be used ? > >I would imagine that there is a problem if there are no counts between >successive calls to the PID loop ? resulting in jerky instead of smooth >slow

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Mario .
:56 +0200 > > From: Anders Wallin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > Subject: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ? > > > > > > Hi

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Anders Wallin wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:00:56 +0200 > From: Anders Wallin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] Lo

Re: [Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Mario .
Proportional, Integral, Differential... those are the words behind PID regulator... so, observe: it is a REGULATOR, so it does some transfer functions, which are named above. Tuning PID regulator is a science, but when done right it does the job properly. I would look into the Integration part of t

[Emc-users] Lowest speed with servo system ?

2006-12-28 Thread Anders Wallin
Hi all, With a servo system using quadrature encoder feedback, what is the slowest speed that can reliably be used ? I would imagine that there is a problem if there are no counts between successive calls to the PID loop ? resulting in jerky instead of smooth slow motion ? any way to improve