Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-07 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 14:25 GMT-03:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: If you connect the winding that is currently the output to one of the excitations instead, then you just need to look at the ratios of the amplitudes between excitation and output with an Oscilloscope. I will try this with the scope in

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-07 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-05 0:35 GMT-03:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: if you have some way of feeding a known sine wave voltage into one of the coils, you then measure the no-load output of another coil. You turn the resolver until the output reaches a peak. But, with these miniature resolvers, you

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Dave Cole
Can you easily retrofit to encoders? Most resolvers seems to be a different form factor or buried in the machine making replacement with encoders difficult. Most encoders don't like grease and oil being slung around. Dave On 12/3/2014 10:28 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: 2014-12-04 0:11

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 7:37 GMT-03:00 Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com: Can you easily retrofit to encoders? Most resolvers seems to be a different form factor or buried in the machine making replacement with encoders difficult. Most encoders don't like grease and oil being slung around. Hello Dave.

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread sam sokolik
Hmm - that looks like the Quick Turn 20 universal we just got. Has the T2 control (1985).We are in the process of starting the conversion. I had just assumed they where 'normal' resolvers.but had decided to swap them out for encoders. We plan on using some AMC drives for the axis and try

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 10:39 GMT-03:00 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com: Hmm - that looks like the Quick Turn 20 universal we just got. Has the T2 control (1985).We are in the process of starting the conversion. I had just assumed they where 'normal' resolvers.but had decided to swap them out for

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Dave Cole
Hi Leonardo, I know you are not in the USA so shipping cost may be an issue, but I would rewire them as normal resolvers and tie them into a Mesa resolver interface and be done with it since you have other Mesa hardware. A drop in replacement for those encoders in a similar housing will not be

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 December 2014 at 11:45, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Reading about how reliable resolvers are in agressive enviroments it's what keeps me thinking about go ahead and use them even if it's not that easy to adapt them to LinuxCNC. I wonder if there is anyone in

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 11:35 GMT-03:00 Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com: I know you are not in the USA so shipping cost may be an issue, but I would rewire them as normal resolvers and tie them into a Mesa resolver interface and be done with it since you have other Mesa hardware. A drop in replacement

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 11:56 GMT-03:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: I wonder if there is anyone in your home country with a 7i49 board or the Pico converter to see if they can work like an ordinary resolver? Well, some time ago I took a look at the user's map on the LinuxCNC website (I don't know if

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread sam sokolik
We know one of the drives is marginal (and smells bad).. We have a lot of experience and have a bunch of amc drives on hand.. We would love to use the resolvers but then we would still need encoder inputs for the spindle. We made an executive decision to switch to encoders. We have some

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 December 2014 at 15:28, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: We would love to use the resolvers but then we would still need encoder inputs for the spindle. I fitted a resolver to my spindle, no more difficult to do than fitting an encoder:

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/03/2014 09:28 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: Hello Jon and thank you for the explaination! So in theory I could use them as normal resolvers and output them to LinuxCNC as several people did. Yes, resolvers are transformers where the coupling between rotor and stator coils varies as the

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/04/2014 05:45 AM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: Well here's how it's mounted. http://oi62.tinypic.com/2enakck.jpg It's not that hard to replace them for encoders, only an adapting plate would be necessary. Reading about how reliable resolvers are in agressive enviroments it's what keeps

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread dave
On 12/03/2014 07:28 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: 2014-12-04 0:11 GMT-03:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: There are basically two ways to run resolvers. You can excite the rotor and get two varying voltages from the stator coils. These will generally be in phase with the excitation,

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 12:28 GMT-03:00 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com: We know one of the drives is marginal (and smells bad).. We have a lot of experience and have a bunch of amc drives on hand.. We would love to use the resolvers but then we would still need encoder inputs for the spindle. We

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-12-04 13:03 GMT-03:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: Yes, resolvers are transformers where the coupling between rotor and stator coils varies as the shaft is rotated. You can excite the stator, or the rotor, the resolver really doesn't care. The excite the rotor and read the two

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 December 2014 at 17:12, Leonardo Marsaglia leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any method to know the ratio of the coils? If you connect the winding that is currently the output to one of the excitations instead, then you just need to look at the ratios of the amplitudes between

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Ed
On 12/04/2014 09:38 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 4 December 2014 at 15:28, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: We would love to use the resolvers but then we would still need encoder inputs for the spindle. I fitted a resolver to my spindle, no more difficult to do than fitting an encoder:

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/04/2014 11:12 AM, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: Thanks a lot again Jon for making things clear for me. So the easiest way to go would be running them like normal resolvers feeding the excitation winding. Is there any method to know the ratio of the coils? if you have some way of feeding a

[Emc-users] OT: Measuring Mitsubishi resolvers

2014-12-03 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello to all again. We're defining the hardware for the Mazak conversion and yesterday my brother and I measured the resolver signals to identify what voltage and frequency they use. I've been reading some information about resolvers and it's not too difficult to understand the way they work,