[Emc-users] Still Crashing.

2008-05-16 Thread Organic Engines
Hi, I did a fresh BDI, put 'noacpi' in the GRUB line and installed the rtai_smi.ko crash! Any advice? Dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing.

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Hi. When you say "BDI", do you mean the BDI disc with EMC1, or do you mean the EMC2/Ubuntu LiveCD? - Steve Organic Engines wrote: >Hi, > > I did a fresh BDI, put 'noacpi' in the GRUB line and installed the >rtai_smi.ko > > crash! > > Any advice? > > Dan > ---

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Organic Engines
Hi, Ubuntu Live CD. Is that not the BDI? I already tried upgrading Ubuntu 7.10 to heron and running the install EMC script. That crashed. :( Well I am trying the new Heron live CD. We will see what that does. Dan ---

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry
Hi Dan I'll try to make this history lesson as short and painless as possible. The BDI evolved out of an early discussion that we came to call a Brain Dead Install when the EMC was still a part of NIST. It's difficult to imagine now how much trouble it was to get a running version of the EMC

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 08:53 -0500, Ray Henry wrote: > I've still got a bunch of blank CDs that are printed with the BDI image > produced for us by Rab Gordon and printed at my expense. I don't use > them for public distribution any more but I still like the looks of that > disk. I did some work f

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 08:53 -0500, Ray Henry wrote: > > I've still got a bunch of blank CDs that are printed with the BDI image > > produced for us by Rab Gordon and printed at my expense. I don't use > > them for public distribution any more

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote: > I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their > in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD > labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business! For the curious youngsters among us.

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Alex Joni
)" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing > On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote: > >> I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their >> in-house artist said that it was one of the best, mos

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Dave Engvall
Message - > From: "Ray Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing > > >> On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, M

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread John Thornton
Message - > From: "Ray Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing > > > > On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Alex Joni
ce so far (couple years). Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: "John Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing > Alex, > > What did you use

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-18 Thread John Thornton
nal Message - > From: "John Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:16 > PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing > > > > Alex, > > > > What did you use to print

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-20 Thread paul_c
To add to the history lesson... On Saturday 17 May 2008, Ray Henry wrote: > The BDI evolved out of an early discussion that we came to call a > Brain Dead Install when the EMC was still a part of NIST.  It's > difficult to imagine now how much trouble it was to get a running > version of the EMC

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-20 Thread John Kasunich
paul_c wrote: > To add to the history lesson... > (snip) > > I no longer have access to the repository > (not even anonymous) EVERYONE has anonymous read access: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ Regards, John Kasunich - This

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-20 Thread John Kasunich
John Kasunich wrote: > paul_c wrote: >> To add to the history lesson... >> > (snip) >> I no longer have access to the repository >> (not even anonymous) > > EVERYONE has anonymous read access: > http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ > And for a checkout (oops, forgot this one): http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-20 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:03:35AM +0100, paul_c wrote: > I no longer have access to the repository > (not even anonymous), http://cvs.linuxcnc.org > and JMK decided a long while ago that I wouldn't be > contributing any further... This is incorrect. You decided for yourself on Apr 05 2006

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 10:20 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:03:35AM +0100, paul_c wrote: > > > I no longer have access to the repository > > (not even anonymous), > >http://cvs.linuxcnc.org > > > and JMK decided a long while ago that I wouldn't be > > contributing any further... > >This is incorr

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > EVERYONE has anonymous read access: > http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ `ping http://cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Fail `traceroute cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Stops somewhere in the alltel.net system. `cvs -z5 -d:ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs co emc2` - Connection times out

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
paul_c wrote: >On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > > >>EVERYONE has anonymous read access: >>http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ >> >> > >`ping http://cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Fail > > Removing the "http://"; from that makes it work, on both Linux and Windows systems. It doesn't work on

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread John Kasunich
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > paul_c wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: >> >> >>> EVERYONE has anonymous read access: >>> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ >>> >>> >> `ping http://cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Fail >> >> > Removing the "http://"; from that makes it work, on both L

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread Jeff Epler
Thank you for bringing this problem to my attention. I have just altered a local firewall rule so that traceroute can complete a trace to cvs.linuxcnc.org. Here is what the traceroute now looks like from the most geographically separated system I could access: $ traceroute -f15 cvs.linuxcnc.org

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > Pinging it _with_ the http is NOT going to work.  You ping hosts, not > services.  "http://"; is a URL, not a hostname.  Paul has been around > long enough to be well aware of that. > Pinging _with_ the http:// is doomed to fail, which I'm sure Paul

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread John Kasunich
paul_c wrote: > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: >> Pinging it _with_ the http is NOT going to work. You ping hosts, not >> services. "http://"; is a URL, not a hostname. Paul has been around >> long enough to be well aware of that. > >> Pinging _with_ the http:// is doomed to fai

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-21 Thread Ray Henry
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 20:10 +0100, paul_c wrote: > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > > EVERYONE has anonymous read access: > > http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ > > `ping http://cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Fail You are quite right that the above comand will fail. Try cvs.linuxcnc.org without t

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 03:10 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >On Wednesday 21 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > > EVERYONE has anonymous read access: > > http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/ > >`ping http://cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Fail >`traceroute cvs.linuxcnc.org` - Stops somewhere in the alltel.net system. >`cvs -z5 -d:ext:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [Emc-users] Still crashing

2008-05-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
Paul: Coincidently, two nights ago I tried just what you tried, in my case downloading the complete Release-2.2.5 from cvs.linuxcnc.org. I used a newly installed Linux and I have had no previous interaction with the cvs system ever, so there shouldn't have been any detritis left over to confus

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-22 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > email them to a developer for review and possible inclusion.   Please provide a full list of "developers" who have access to the repository. --- Paul. - This SF.ne

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-22 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
paul_c wrote: >On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > > >> email them to a developer for review and possible inclusion. >> >> > >Please provide a full list of "developers" who have access to the repository. > > I don't have the full list at the moment, and it's unnecessa

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread paul_c
On Thursday 22 May 2008, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > I don't have the full list at the moment, and it's unnecessary. You mean to say you have no idea who has access - As a supposed project admin & "board member", that is a very sad state of affairs... But thanks to Chris, we now know. Only 24

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread John Kasunich
paul_c wrote: (snip most of the rant) >> You also have the option of providing your public SSH key to Chris, so >> you can get developer access yourself. > > If anonymous access doesn't work, please explain how sending a "key" will fix > it. You seem to be the only one who is unable to connect

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Ray Henry wrote: > I don't have ordinary traceroute installed but there is a "Network > Tools" under the System -> Administration that lets me run quite a > number of these sorts of tools. Switching to a console and running diagnostics from a command line is much easier.

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread Alex Joni
Please keep this list for discussing the usage of EMC/emc2 (and general machining topics from time to time). If you care about development or development related issues use the emc-developers mailing list. Regards, Alex On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:30 +0100, paul_c wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:40 +0100, paul_c wrote: > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Ray Henry wrote: > > I don't have ordinary traceroute installed but there is a "Network > > Tools" under the System -> Administration that lets me run quite a > > number of these sorts of tools. > > Switching to a console

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:30:59PM +0100, paul_c wrote: > > As if anything that has gone before has gone through a review process or > comments & suggestions acted on. i.e.: Well, there is a democratic process that gives the users the power to decide who gets to determine the direction of the EM

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread paul_c
On Friday 23 May 2008, Alex Joni wrote: > If you care about development or development related issues use the > emc-developers mailing list. I have seen some of these guys, even in the same room, huddled over a keyboard or engaged in some trivial discussion whilst a guest speaker is giving a pr

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:30 +0100, paul_c wrote: > Only 24 out of 64 Sourceforge registered names. I'd have thought you'd have registered your dismay by putting a ! at the end of that sentence. You and I know that many of those names were included in the sourceforge developer list because they w

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-23 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:30 +0100, paul_c wrote: > > Chris Morley for classicladder. > > Patches for CL are sent to Marc Le Douarain where they benefit a wider > audience. As you will remember, we (You and I) forked the ClassicLadder project into the BDI so that we could begin making the changes

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-24 Thread paul_c
On Friday 23 May 2008, John Kasunich wrote: > You seem to be the only one who is unable to connect to the server for > anonymous read-only access.  Of course no key is required for that. Using a remote server that I have a shell account on... -bash-3.00$ ssh-keygen -t dsa Generating public/privat

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-24 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 03:12:42PM +0100, paul_c wrote: > > Using a remote server that I have a shell account on... > ssh: connect to host cvs.linuxcnc.org port 22: Connection refused Can you ssh to anywhere else from this machine? When you try again let me know the date and time and IP. I will

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-24 Thread Greg Michalski
-Alex Joni wrote- " Please keep this list for discussing the usage of EMC/emc2 (and general machining topics from time to time). If you care about development or development related issues use the emc-developers mailing list." I second that - and with the other comments popping up the motion is

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-24 Thread Jeff Epler
I've had a tcpdump running on 206.222.212.218 (bald.unpythonic.net) which captured Paul's traceroute packets in and ICMP Unreachable replies back out. These are the packets that traceroute expects to be generated when its trace actually reaches the destination machine. So the packets are reaching

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread paul_c
On Saturday 24 May 2008, Chris Radek wrote: > > Using a remote server that I have a shell account on... > > ssh: connect to host cvs.linuxcnc.org port 22: Connection refused > > Can you ssh to anywhere else from this machine? Yes, and I can also run cvs to do anon checkouts from other systems. Log

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread paul_c
On Sunday 25 May 2008, paul_c wrote: > The external IP address should be in the 84.9.xx.xx block, but I'm not on a > static IP, so it will change. Update, 87.74.xx.xx today - Might be something else after lunch. - This SF.net

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread Chris Radek
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:18:21AM +0100, paul_c wrote: > On Saturday 24 May 2008, Chris Radek wrote: > > > Using a remote server that I have a shell account on... > > > ssh: connect to host cvs.linuxcnc.org port 22: Connection refused > > > > Can you ssh to anywhere else from this machine? > > Ye

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread Kenneth Lerman
You just have to love it. Who writes this material? C: You're smart enough. P: No I'm not. C: But you're sharp as a tack. P: Nope, stupid as a rock. C: You're just being difficult. P: No I'm not. Besides, this project sucks. Only an idiot would want to work on it. Of course, the above is pure

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread paul_c
On Sunday 25 May 2008, Chris Radek wrote: > > > Can you ssh to anywhere else from this machine? > > Yes > No you can't.  Sourceforge disallows it.  You must not have actually > tried. Oh shucks - Must have been another machine I was logged in to yesterday. With ten or more consoles open at any on

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-25 Thread Chris Radek
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 03:22:05PM +0100, paul_c wrote: > On Sunday 25 May 2008, Chris Radek wrote: > > > > Can you ssh to anywhere else from this machine? > > > Yes > > No you can't. ?Sourceforge disallows it. ?You must not have actually > > tried. > > Oh shucks - Must have been another machine I

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-27 Thread paul_c
On Sunday 25 May 2008, Chris Radek wrote: > Yes, congratulations, you found a network that blocks ssh, one of the > most commonly used protocols on the internet.  If you try, you can > find one that blocks all web access on port 80 too. *cough* Corporate networks *cough* secure systems *cough*. An

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-27 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:06:04PM +0100, paul_c wrote: > Anyways, I now have a box set up in the lab, negotiated access to the outside > world, and can at least pull "stuff" from cvs.linuxcnc.org... Why the *** > pserver can't be used for anon access, I don't suppose we will get an answer. > B

Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing (the party)

2008-05-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I like Alex Joni's idea. This forum should be for the discussion of "EMC2" USER interest. The discussion of the finer points of coding should be relegated to a forum concerning the finer points of coding, ad nauseam. Why should time and energy be spent hashing and rehashing old juv