Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-15 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, August 15, 2011 07:49:47 AM John Thornton did opine: > That does sound pretty weak, perhaps more hole than should be done on a > mini mill. > > John > > On 8/15/2011 6:40 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On 15 August 2011 12:28, John Thornton wrote: > >> If you want perfectly round holes get

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 August 2011 12:45, John Thornton wrote: > That does sound pretty weak, perhaps more hole than should be done on a > mini mill. To be fair, the rating plate says 30mm facing and 20mm end-milling, so single-point boring 60mm in cast iron is probably pushing the envelope too far. However, the

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-15 Thread John Thornton
That does sound pretty weak, perhaps more hole than should be done on a mini mill. John On 8/15/2011 6:40 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 August 2011 12:28, John Thornton wrote: >> If you want perfectly round holes get a boring bar. > In some cases a boring bar will work less well than > backlash-

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 August 2011 12:28, John Thornton wrote: > If you want perfectly round holes get a boring bar. In some cases a boring bar will work less well than backlash-compensated spiral milling. And in the case of a Mini Mill (and this is a Mini Mill) the head/column stiffness is very different in X a

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-15 Thread John Thornton
If you want perfectly round holes get a boring bar. John On 8/14/2011 4:56 PM, Chris Reynolds wrote: > I'm using my Harbor Freight X2 mini mill. I converted it to cnc not long ago. > I don't cut a lot of circles with it but when I do I noticed they are not > perfectly round. I'll check for bind

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave Caroline
Im often working on round parts so a chuck is mounted on a rotary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbp8SJ9RxqI then I can mill it all at one basic setting so it will be concentric, round and regular features where I want Dave Caroline On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Dave wrote: > So you put the w

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave
So you put the work piece on the rotary table and spin the table beneath the boring bar or milling cutter? Dave On 8/14/2011 2:33 PM, Dave Caroline wrote: > I cheat and use the rotary table :) > > Dave Caroline > > -- >

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Kyle Kerr
Rather than hole cutting to start with, maybe you could mount a pen and make sure everything 'prints' square/round? -- FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding for Subversion. Subversion made easy with a complete admin c

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 August 2011 22:56, Chris Reynolds wrote: > I'm using my Harbor Freight X2 mini mill. If holes are smaller in X then I think you will find it is the column twisting, though making the gibbs tighter might help. The problem with that is that with mine the ways are tapered, so tight enough to n

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Chris Reynolds
I'm using my Harbor Freight X2 mini mill. I converted it to cnc not long ago. I don't cut a lot of circles with it but when I do I noticed they are not perfectly round. I'll check for binding on the different axis, but I've never had a problem with them binding in the past, the gibs might need a

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave Caroline
And a possible other case I cannot answer myself trajectory planner setting and how close to the planned curve it manages or you set Dave Caroline -- FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding for Subversion. Subversion

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread dave
That is not cheating, it is using your head. :-) Dave On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 19:33 +0100, Dave Caroline wrote: > I cheat and use the rotary table :) > > Dave Caroline > > -- > FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding f

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave Caroline
I cheat and use the rotary table :) Dave Caroline -- FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding for Subversion. Subversion made easy with a complete admin console. Easy to use, easy to manage, easy to install, easy to ex

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 August 2011 19:20, dave wrote: > On sloppy machines like mine with backlash at 0.003 nominally round > holes are produced by a boring head. That is, rough mill to a few thou > then bore to make them and me happy. My machine makes oval holes even with a boring head and with the axes locked.

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread dave
What magnitude of un-roundness are you seeing. Mounting a dial indicator and sweeping the radius and recording at least every 45 degrees would be most helpful. On sloppy machines like mine with backlash at 0.003 nominally round holes are produced by a boring head. That is, rough mill to a few tho

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Reynolds wrote: > In the past whenever I've machined holes they end up not perfectly round. I > wondered if part of that could be because of the backlash compensation or > some other setting that I have. I don't think my machine has that much play > in it that it would cause circles to com

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 August 2011 05:18, Chris Reynolds wrote: > In the past whenever I've machined holes they end up not perfectly round. I > wondered if part of that could be because of the backlash compensation or > some other setting that I have. I don't think my machine has that much play > in it that it

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I have never seen a perfectly round hole. I have seen many holes that are within the design tolerance for roundness. Without some knowledge of the imperfection it is impossible to determine the reason of the imperfection. Please describe the imperfection. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Chris Re

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave Caroline
And another source of error is loose gib strips and off center lead screws, causes a rotation of the table Dave Caroline -- FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding for Subversion. Subversion made easy with a complete a

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Edward Bernard
ubject: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round > >In the past whenever I've machined holes they end up not perfectly round. I >wondered if part of that could be because of the backlash compensation or some >other setting that I have. I don't think my machine has t

Re: [Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Dave Caroline
Backlash needs measuring, get dti, move in one direction stop set 0 on emc AND the dti move forward and back to emc 0 move backward and back to emc 0 on both x and y and if perfect check scale figures you entered also any screw accuracy errors will also cause out of round, see docs for screw compen

[Emc-users] holes that aren't pefectly round

2011-08-14 Thread Chris Reynolds
In the past whenever I've machined holes they end up not perfectly round. I wondered if part of that could be because of the backlash compensation or some other setting that I have. I don't think my machine has that much play in it that it would cause circles to come out like that.   Chris --