Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-31 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Sat, 3/30/13, cogoman cogo...@optimum.net wrote: Acceleration due to gravity = 16 feet/second/second One thing I do remember from junior high science class is gravity acceleration is 32 feet/second/second on Earth. 'Course I looked it up just now to be sure. ;-) So, yeah, no servo

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-31 Thread andy pugh
On 31 March 2013 07:31, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: So, yeah, no servo drive available to us mere mortals is going to be able to out-accelerate gravity. This doesn't add up. Any Z-axis capable of lifting the head can out-accelerate gravity. All that is required is for the force

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-30 Thread cogoman
On 03/26/2013 01:21 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I am not sure you will see good acceleration. In fact, it is always going to be less than 1g. This is because for any faster acceleration the strings go slack as the weighs don't fall fast enough. No need to go anywhere near that fast because an

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-30 Thread dave
On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 17:34 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 30 March 2013 17:32:05 cogoman did opine: On 03/26/2013 01:21 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I am not sure you will see good acceleration. In fact, it is always going to be less than 1g. This is because for any faster

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 30 March 2013 22:30:04 dave did opine: On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 17:34 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 30 March 2013 17:32:05 cogoman did opine: On 03/26/2013 01:21 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I am not sure you will see good acceleration. In fact, it is always

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: From: jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-425oz-in-CNC-Mill-Controller-SD-2H044MA-driver-/130835449799?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e766687c7 Those might be a bit much for the

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-425oz-in-CNC-Mill-Controller-SD-2H044MA-driver-/130835449799?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e766687c7 i like the idea of using  a capstan with offsetting weight , if you use

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-26 Thread andy pugh
On 26 March 2013 23:49, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: Not a problem building the table, he has plenty of precision ground shaft and linear bearings at his shop that have been laying about, looking for something to be done with them. I like the HBot layout. (I reckon it would be

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Tue, 3/26/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 March 2013 23:49, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: Not a problem building the table, he has plenty of precision ground shaft and linear bearings at his shop that have been laying about, looking for something to be

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 March 2013 05:45, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: They abandoned that design in favor of a more conventional CNC design. I think you would be smart in doing the same. I wonder if they abandoned it because they didn't have LinuxCNC kins? Having said that, it does seem that by the time you

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Dave
I don't know if you have seen the Torchmate version or not before but here are some similar picts and discussion. http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_plasma_waterjet_machines/31685-cnc_retrofit_heath_torchmate_upright_magnetic_follower_shape_cutter.html The Torchmate I remember was only big

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Dave
I just noticed that Torchmate is now part of Lincoln Electric (a big welder manufacturer in the US). Dave On 3/25/2013 4:55 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 25 March 2013 05:45, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: They abandoned that design in favor of a more conventional CNC design. I think you would

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
This would probably work in a bipod conficuration, with just a pair of springs on the hinges to extend the arm. Like this device: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Koppi's_Toy With gravity replaced by springs. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Jack Coats
Yes is the short answer. From some of the other answers you can get details. The only real question comes in can you use canned kenimatics or are custom ones required. Even modifying canned ones isn't to hard and this group can always be available for consistance. On Mar 24, 2013 2:11 AM,

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread jeremy youngs
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: This would probably work in a bipod conficuration, with just a pair of springs on the hinges to extend the arm. Like this device: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Koppi's_Toy With gravity replaced by springs. or

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower? To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, March 25, 2013, 10:40 AM I don't know if you have seen the Torchmate version or not before

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 25 March 2013 22:25, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: or cable attached weight so as to have constant tension , my thought is how to maintain spool diameter on the steppers? as cable winds up then the diameter increases unless a capstan of some sort is utilized, There is a nicely

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: or cable attached weight so as to have constant tension , my thought is how to maintain spool diameter on the steppers? as cable winds up then the diameter increases unless a capstan of some sort is utilized, Lots of ways to do

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread jeremy youngs
I guess the real question is then are you going to do it? if so will you post your results ? i would like to see them i think this could be a very inexpensive solution using small steppere and 1/8 in cable a few scraps lying around and presto a simple plasma cutter :) -- jeremy youngs

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the real question is then are you going to do it? if so will you post your results ? i would like to see them i think this could be a very inexpensive solution using small steppere and 1/8 in cable a few scraps lying

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 26 March 2013 00:48, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: Now I'm thinking it needs a semi-active tension system using a computer controlled 3rd motor but with a spring so it doesn't have to be super precise You could just run a DC or brushless motor at a constant current on the third

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread jeremy youngs
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-425oz-in-CNC-Mill-Controller-SD-2H044MA-driver-/130835449799?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e766687c7 i like the idea of using a capstan with offsetting weight , if you use 2 motors for x,y then use the same weight in tension the motors will

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Todd Zuercher
How about just using some air cylinders to pull your counter balance cables. - Original Message - On 26 March 2013 00:48, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: Now I'm thinking it needs a semi-active tension system using a computer controlled 3rd motor but with a spring so it

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 26 March 2013 00:59, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: i like the idea of using a capstan with offsetting weight , if you use 2 motors for x,y then use the same weight in tension the motors will see nothing but frictional resistance . If your capstan is sufficently large you

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread andy pugh
On 26 March 2013 01:07, Todd Zuercher zuerc...@embarqmail.com wrote: How about just using some air cylinders to pull your counter balance cables. That would work, and with a set of pulleys (like a 4:1 block-and-tackle) the travel could be only a fraction of the total string

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread jeremy youngs
Andy said I am not sure you will see good acceleration. In fact, it is always going to be less than 1g. This is because for any faster acceleration the strings go slack as the weighs don't fall fast enough. jeremy bounces head of keyboard realizes his stupidity and pays homa ge :) whats that

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 3/25/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure you will see good acceleration. In fact, it is always going to be less than 1g. This is because for any faster acceleration the strings go slack as the weighs don't fall fast enough. No need to go anywhere near that fast

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-24 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/3/24 Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com: Looking into the possibility of fitting CNC to an old oxy-acetylene pattern following torch. (It can also mount a plasma cutter.) The torch mounts on the end of an articulated arm with two joints. Can LinuxCNC run such a setup? The description

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-24 Thread andy pugh
On 24 March 2013 08:11, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been thinking that a system with three or four servo motors and cables connected to the torch mount could move it around as well as a 2-axis gantry. Can LinuxCNC run such a setup? At first I thought you were talking about

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-24 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Sun, 3/24/13, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com 2013/3/24 Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com: Looking into the possibility of fitting CNC to an old oxy-acetylene pattern following torch. (It can also mount a plasma cutter.)

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-24 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Sun, 3/24/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: At first I thought you were talking about motorising the existing arms, but reading more carefully, I think you are talking about pulling the arm around with cables and drums? When I thought you were talking about motorising the arm I

Re: [Emc-users] Cable drive for a gas torch pattern follower?

2013-03-24 Thread Dave
I think that Torchmate used to make those years ago prior to their intro into CNC cutting. I considered buying the kit long ago but considered it too limiting. They abandoned that design in favor of a more conventional CNC design. I think you would be smart in doing the same. Dave On