Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-26 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24.04.14 20:52, Mike Acker wrote: On 04/23/2014 10:33 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: FWIW, i fully agree that the right place to fix this misbehavior is in GnuPG itself, not in enigmail. I care about non-enigmail users of GnuPG, and i

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-25 Thread Philip Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2014 22:19, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: [skipping a bunch of discussion covered elsewhere in the thread and jumping directly to the UI/UX proposals] On 04/22/2014 05:00 PM, Philip Jackson wrote: What about some consideration of the time

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-24 Thread Mike Acker
On 04/23/2014 10:33 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: FWIW, i fully agree that the right place to fix this misbehavior is in GnuPG itself, not in enigmail. I care about non-enigmail users of GnuPG, and i definitely don't want to have the headache of synchronizing key selection routines of

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-24 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 04/24/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Acker wrote: On 04/23/2014 10:33 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: FWIW, i fully agree that the right place to fix this misbehavior is in GnuPG itself, not in enigmail. I care about non-enigmail users of GnuPG, and i definitely don't want to have the headache of

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-24 Thread John Clizbe
Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 04/24/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Acker wrote: which, as noted, is why they have per recipient rules I know that Enigmail has these rules, and that they are a way to work around GnuPG's suboptimal key-selection-from-email-address routine. I think there may be better

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-24 Thread Mike Acker
On 04/24/2014 04:23 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 04/24/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Acker wrote: On 04/23/2014 10:33 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: FWIW, i fully agree that the right place to fix this misbehavior is in GnuPG itself, not in enigmail. I care about non-enigmail users of GnuPG, and

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-24 Thread Mike Acker
On 04/24/2014 06:39 PM, Mike Acker wrote: On 04/24/2014 04:23 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 04/24/2014 02:52 PM, Mike Acker wrote: On 04/23/2014 10:33 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: FWIW, i fully agree that the right place to fix this misbehavior is in GnuPG itself, not in enigmail. I

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-23 Thread John Clizbe
Philip Jackson wrote: On 22/04/2014 01:30, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Note that enigmail's current default behavior is to simply choose the *first* key in GPG's keyring that claims to be associated with the e-mail address in question. This is true, even if the first key in the keyring

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-23 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 04/23/2014 09:18 PM, John Clizbe wrote: Philip Jackson wrote: On 22/04/2014 01:30, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Note that enigmail's current default behavior is to simply choose the *first* key in GPG's keyring that claims to be associated with the e-mail address in question. This is

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-22 Thread Philip Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22/04/2014 01:30, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Hi Nico-- thanks for your work on this; i'm really glad to see people thinking it through in detail. Responses in more detail below, along with a more radical proposal that hopefully we can

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-21 Thread Nicolai Josuttis
Am 21.04.2014 01:29, Daniel Kahn Gillmor schrieb/wrote: this is a neat idea, but... ;-) In fact, you can choose between: Automatically send encrypted? - Never No automatically encrypted sending except explicitly triggered by rules - With full trust Automatically send encrypted

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-21 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 04/21/2014 07:09 AM, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: Thanks a lot for this feedback, Daniel. These are very compelling arguments. Seems I fall into the trap of making it too good. thanks for reading and taking this seriously. The new approach I suggest would be just to offer: Automatically

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-21 Thread Nicolai Josuttis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 21.04.2014 18:49, Daniel Kahn Gillmor schrieb/wrote: On 04/21/2014 07:09 AM, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: Thanks a lot for this feedback, Daniel. These are very compelling arguments. Seems I fall into the trap of making it too good. thanks for

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-21 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Hi Nico-- thanks for your work on this; i'm really glad to see people thinking it through in detail. Responses in more detail below, along with a more radical proposal that hopefully we can use to think through the desired behavior. On 04/21/2014 04:11 PM, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: Let me try

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-20 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20.04.14 15:30, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: Hi all, as announced some weeks ago, I just pushed a patch for a first implementation to provide the ability to automatically encrypt messages if all valid keys are known without the need to have a

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-20 Thread Nicolai Josuttis
On 20.04.14 15:30, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: as announced some weeks ago, I just pushed a patch for a first implementation to provide the ability to automatically encrypt messages if all valid keys are known without the need to have a rule for it into the sub-branch (derived from master):

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-20 Thread Nicolai Josuttis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 20.04.2014 21:38, Philip Jackson schrieb/wrote: Hi Nicolai, I've downloaded and installed the 1.7a1pre-test version. Patrick's link shouldn't just be clicked on though. Firefox downloaded it and tried to install and then rejected it as

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-20 Thread Philip Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/04/2014 00:12, Nicolai Josuttis wrote: Am 20.04.2014 21:38, Philip Jackson schrieb/wrote: Hi Nicolai, I've downloaded and installed the 1.7a1pre-test version. Patrick's link shouldn't just be clicked on though. Firefox downloaded it

Re: [Enigmail] test implementation for auto encryption available in test-branch

2014-04-20 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 04/20/2014 07:12 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: I think it's a really bad idea to make encryption contingent on trust settings; it should only be contingent on validity. let me explain this a bit further: * setting non-zero ownertrust on someone's keys puts you at risk of being willing to