Re: [EVDL] The state of EV's 1890 to 1922

2021-05-15 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] The state of EV's 1890 to 1922

2021-05-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] The state of EV's 1890 to 1922

2021-05-15 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Charles Galpin via EV
Steve, I’m in NoVA too We pay a $100 a year to register our EV, regardless of mileage. I forget the numbers, but you’d have to drive a substantial amount to equal the gas tax. We are being penalized, not incentivized. I think a gas tax would incentivize people. Make it higher and higher, and a

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 May 2021 at 17:29, Steves via EV wrote: > So if I make less pollution , ITMm charged extra?! Go figure. I think there are a couple of factors at work here. 1. The laws implementing EV and gas-only pseudo hybrid license surcharges are based on model legislation written by ALEC (American L

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Rod Hower via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Doesn't that depend on how the road tax is calculated ? I don't know the formula proposed in this case but it's easy to imagine a formula base on - miles traveled - efficiency - weight When everything was powered by gas, the gas tax was generally fair. That isn't true any more. Yet, we still ne

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Steves via EV
Here in VA we pay a fee if we have an EV. That doesn’t bother me too much as I am willing to help pay for roads. BUT they also charge a fee for fuel efficient vehicles, as they say they don’t pay their fair share. I live in northern VA and we also have air pollution problems . So if I make less

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 May 2021 at 14:57, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Raise EV road use tax by X and raise the gas drivers ENVIRONMENTAL USE > tax by the same amount - X. I see your point, but I think that vehicle owners should pay in proportion to the environmental harm they cause. The more environmental

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
This has been my proposal all along. Raise EV road use tax by X and raise the gas drivers ENVIRONMENTAL USE tax by the same amount - X. See http://aprs.org/EV-and-gas-taxes.html Bob On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 2:27 PM Charles Galpin via EV wrote: > > I agree. But wouldn’t a gas tax basically acc

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 May 2021 at 14:27, Charles Galpin via EV wrote: > wouldnTMt a gas tax basically accomplish this? It already does, of course. But if they seriously want to transition to 100% EV sales by 2030 it does mean reduced fuel tax revenue as the active ICEV population gradually declines.. IMO tha

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Charles Galpin via EV
I agree. But wouldn’t a gas tax basically accomplish this? -- charles > On May 15, 2021, at 1:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > IMO, the fair way to recover fuel tax revenue is a pollution surcharge to > the license renewal fee, based on the vehicle's EPA MPG or MPGe rating. The

Re: [EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
A road tax is just a fine for EV owners to punish them for not using petroleum, and discourage motorists from switching to EVs. On the contrary, if they actually want EVs (spoiler: they don't), they should waive as many fees on them as possible. IMO, the fair way to recover fuel tax revenue

[EVDL] Wash. will try again to for EV sales mandate

2021-05-15 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think Inslee is right. There's too much room for something to go wrong with the tie to the road usage fee. Getting the first 50% of vehicles switched from paying gas tax to road usage fee might be easy, but getting over 75% might linger on for years and years. Peri https://www.seattletimes.