Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 7/9/21 4:43 PM, Willie via EV wrote: This "I hate Elon and no level of superior performance can overcome that hatred" caught me by complete surprise. Plus, Tesla is still very much a luxury brand. Sure, the model 3 can outperform both of our EV/PHEV vehicles, but since we bought both o

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 7/9/21 11:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: But, honestly, if the driver is paying attention and autopilot shuts down, what's to lose ? Up to that point, either autopilot was driving the car correctly, in which case the driver should be able to continue just fine without it. Or, autopilo

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
First, there have been very few deaths involving Teslas. So, most people *do* understand and take seriously that autopilot is not self driving. But, realistically, you shouldn't need any warning to take over autopilot should it cut out or fail. The one exception I can think of, and I don't kn

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
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Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
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Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 7/10/21 1:50 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: Blind spot detection in my Model 3 is useless. I rely only on my mirrors and turning my head; not on the terminal presentation I find that comment interesting. The 2020 Nissan Altima I drove when testing out ProPilot had Blind Spot indicato

Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns.

2021-07-10 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-10 Thread nathan christiansn via EV
n general. Without Elon, I believe it that we might not have production EVs today. Nathan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210710/bd8ce317/att

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's Self Driving Feature

2021-07-10 Thread Willie via EV
On 7/10/21 9:43 PM, nathan christiansn via EV wrote: I think that most Tesla devotees are either unaware of or underestimate the level of distaste (to put it mildly) for Elon Musk that exists on the periphery of EV interest. While Elon may have an impulsive personality, you cannot ignore t