In looking at the video, there was only two seconds from complacency where the car is hugging the right lane line to pegging of the Oh S__t meter where the car veers off to the left of the left lane line. It's like the old pilot adage of: "Hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror."
I can't tell when his hands went back on the wheel. If he was actually driving the car, the outcome may have been different. At 5 seconds and 7 seconds, there is indication that the car is **not** staying within its identified lane lines. At 10 to 11 second time period, it has definitely crossed the left lane line. In fact, I can't see a left lane line extending out from in front of the car; only the right lane line and that does not extend very far out. The car didn't know where to go. On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:20 PM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > First, there have been very few deaths involving Teslas. So, most people > *do* understand and take seriously that autopilot is not self driving. > > But, realistically, you shouldn't need any warning to take over > autopilot should it cut out or fail. > > The one exception I can think of, and I don't know if this has occurred, > is if you are driving down a safe, straight stretch of road and briefly > looking at scenery or a passenger. Or similarly, looking for an address > while driving in a city (you have to take your eyes off the road for a > moment). You would expect the car to continue going straight. In that > case, if autopilot caused the car to veer, I would say autopilot is at > fault. > > But while going around a curve, handling a construction deviation, > changing lanes, etc., I think you really should be 100% paying > attention. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jay Summet via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Jay Summet" <j...@summet.com> > Sent: 10-Jul-21 5:02:01 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] AutoPilot drops out on tight road turns. > > > > > > >On 7/9/21 11:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > > >>But, honestly, if the driver is paying attention and autopilot shuts > down, what's to lose ? Up to that point, either autopilot was driving the > car correctly, in which case the driver should be able to continue just > fine without it. Or, autopilot was not driving correctly in which case the > driver should have already taken over. I am having a hard time to imagine a > situation where Tesla or autopilot can be blamed for a crash unless it > actually prevented the driver from taking over, and that has never happened > as far as I know. > > > >Yes, the driver is still responsible, but the big issue is that Tesla > advertises it as an "auto-pilot" or "full self driving (beta)" that is > designed to (eventually) drive your care with no required supervision from > the driver. > > > >Every other car manufacturer calls it "lane assist" or "intelligent cruse > control" or "freeway driving assistant", which more accurately gives the > user the impression that it's a fallible assistant that needs to be > directly supervised, and not something that you would even consider tying a > weight to your steering wheel and watching a movie with. > > > >This leads to people using it (and trusting it?) in dangerous situations > where if it cuts out things go wrong very quickly. > > > >See for example: > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATJaVTpviQ > > > > > > > >There is also an issue of how much time a driver needs to recognize that > the auto-pilot has failed and take control. In the video above, it starts > to "Bing" less than a second before they are crashed into the trees. > > > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ > >Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > >No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210710/f13d5e79/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
