Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-08 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Well, in the case of Polestar (Volvo), they were purchased by Geely which is Chinese-owned. I think the Polestar review shows China is behind on software. And at $83k, hard to compare to a Tesla and think it's largely equivalent. On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 12:29 PM paul dove via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla makes cars in China too! Let’s be clear though. They aren’t Chinese cars neither is a Renault or any other brand that builds a factory in China or Mexico or wherever. I was speaking if Chinese brands. Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, April 7, 2023, 6:16 PM, EV List Lackey

[EVDL] China fires back and Tesla returns fire.

2023-04-08 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
I wouldn't worry about rare earth elements in Tesla motors. No need. All other motor makers will follow suit.  https://electrek.co/2023/03/01/tesla-is-going-back-to-ev-motors-with-no-rare-earth-elements/ Lawrence Rhodes  -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Paul, how did "small entrepreneurs" import to the US ? It's my understanding that the current regulations make it next to impossible ? If it is possible, I'd like to look into importing a Citroen Zoe or something similar. I'm not Paul, but I can provide some hints.

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
cleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "paul dove via EV" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 07-Apr-23 15:11:32 Subject: Re: [EVDL] China fires back! paul dove via EV wrote: So, which Chinese EV should I purchase? My personal expe

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 7 Apr 2023 at 17:11, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > My personal experience suggests *none* of them. I've seen and driven a > few Chinese EVs that have been imported by various small entrepeneurs. > The quality has been unbelievably poor. You can't buy one in the US, but I'm driving a Chinese-made

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
I already posted this about one of the "best" Chinese-made EVs you can buy in the US, but if you haven't seen it, it's worth your 18 minutes: https://youtu.be/U3P32TyLMMM On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 3:12 PM Lee Hart via EV wrote: > paul dove via EV wrote: > > So, which Chinese EV should I purchase?

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: So, which Chinese EV should I purchase? My personal experience suggests *none* of them. I've seen and driven a few Chinese EVs that have been imported by various small entrepeneurs. The quality has been unbelievably poor. I agree with Paul Compton that the Chinese

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-07 Thread paul dove via EV
So, which Chinese EV should I purchase? Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, April 6, 2023, 5:10 PM, Paul Compton via EV wrote: On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 19:10, paul dove via EV wrote: > I wouldn't expect China to produce anything worth having in the near future > or possibly at

Re: [EVDL] China fires back and will lose again!

2023-04-07 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi Lee and All,Remember last time they tried this their market crashed as everyone designed REEs out and China ended up with lower prices, lower demand.That wasn't the biggest problem though as it signaled China wasn't a reliable supplier of anything starting the mass exodus of companies

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread Paul Compton via EV
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 19:10, paul dove via EV wrote: > I wouldn't expect China to produce anything worth having in the near future > or possibly at all. > Harbor Freight as been here a long time and most of their products are still > inferior. That's a US company buying the cheapest crap they

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread paul dove via EV
The thing is Tesla is the current leader in sales and technology when it comes to electric motors. They announced at the last investors day that they were going away from rare earth elements in their vehicles in the future.They are going to produce a permanent magnet electric motor with

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
Also, Tesla announced that their new motors won't use any rare earths. On 4/6/2023 10:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EV List Lackey via EV wrote: On 5 Apr 2023 at 18:17, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: This doesn't bode well for almost all EV makers outside of China:

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EV List Lackey via EV wrote: On 5 Apr 2023 at 18:17, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: This doesn't bode well for almost all EV makers outside of China: https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/world/asia-pacific/20230405-101753/ The sensible ones are already on it:

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
I normally don't deal in FUD, but unsure if this has any truth: https://youtu.be/yOA7qKMcjcE (TLDW; Chinese EV makers having lots of battery fires) It also won't matter here in the US, if the trade war continues, there's little chance we will allow the Chinese automakers penetration here. On

Re: [EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-06 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 5 Apr 2023 at 18:17, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > This doesn't bode well for almost all EV makers outside of China: > https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/world/asia-pacific/20230405-101753/ The sensible ones are already on it:

[EVDL] China fires back!

2023-04-05 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
This doesn't bode well for almost all EV makers outside of China: https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/world/asia-pacific/20230405-101753/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: