Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-31 Thread David Nelson via EV
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Nope, I have a little experience with charging older style Li-Ion batteries by hand and the resting voltage is typically a rather fixed amount (delta) below the charging voltage, no matter how high you charged

[EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread damon henry via EV
Thanks David... for pointing out the forgetfulness factor. Been there, done that. There are a couple of fairly simple solutions to that particular problem. First, a charger that is set at a low enough voltage to limit that danger. So far it has been my experience with this pack that there

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I don't know of a lithium cell that would be carrying significant capacity at 2 Volts. That voltage would not hurt a Li cell. 2V would be a reasonable low cut off. Higher gives you more leeway if your are far out of bottom balance. If you bottom balance to begin with you are safer for a longer

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 May 2015 at 10:18, damon henry via EV wrote: There are a couple of fairly simple solutions to that particular problem. First, a charger that is set at a low enough voltage to limit that danger. I'm not a lithium expert, but this sounds like it should work well as long as your cells

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
, May 28, 2015 10:54 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again. I disagree. Assuming by your example the OCV of the cell is 3.8v and one charges to 4v. After cycle 1 the OCV will be 22.8v After cycle 2 the OCV will be 19v After cycle 3 the OCV

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
Just remember to check each cell periodically to ensure they are staying together. If one cell is weak it will drift down each cycle and eventually you will overcharge the good ones and destroy the weak one (this is where fires come from). A little exaggerated perhaps but this is what

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:54 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again. I disagree. Assuming by your example the OCV of the cell is 3.8v and one charges to 4v. After cycle 1 the OCV will be 22.8v After cycle 2 the OCV will be 19v After cycle 3 the OCV

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I agree with Cor's comment on charging versus resting voltage - I mean a cutoff voltage to be the resting voltage. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know of a lithium cell that would be carrying significant capacity at 2 Volts. That voltage

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
: [EVDL] FW: On the road again. I disagree. Assuming by your example the OCV of the cell is 3.8v and one charges to 4v. After cycle 1 the OCV will be 22.8v After cycle 2 the OCV will be 19v After cycle 3 the OCV will be 19v Etc. One can tell if there is a bad cell immediately after every

Re: [EVDL] FW: On the road again.

2015-05-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I disagree. Assuming by your example the OCV of the cell is 3.8v and one charges to 4v. After cycle 1 the OCV will be 22.8v After cycle 2 the OCV will be 19v After cycle 3 the OCV will be 19v Etc. One can tell if there is a bad cell immediately after every charge because the OCV will be