Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
EV List Lackey wrote: > On 1 Feb 2022 at 22:01, jim--- via EV wrote: > > > Absolutely hate traffic circles... > > They work fine if there is very low traffic, but if there is lots of > > traffic, they are horrible... > > I hear that from a lot of folks. > > I've done some driving in France

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
On 2/2/22 06:06, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: One thing that I think helps traffic flow through them is that French drivers customarily (though not universally) turn on their left turn signals when entering a roundabout, and switch to right turn signals just before exiting. If traffic is

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread jim--- via EV
, they are a menace. Jim Walls -Original Message- From: "Robert Johnston via EV" Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 04:27 To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Robert Johnston" , "EV List Lackey" Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Tue Feb 01 22:01:47 PST 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Absolutely hate traffic circles... >They work fine if there is very low traffic, but if there is lots of traffic, >they are horrible... Guess it depends on the area. We had a T intersection that frequenly had Left turning cars (the main

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread Robert Johnston via EV
Traffic Circles/Roundabouts are designed for continuous flow traffic, and when used in a system made for continuous traffic, they work fantastically. US roads, however, are made for "Packing", with timed traffic lights and stop signs causing vehicles to bunch up and form clumps, that are then run

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-02 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 1 Feb 2022 at 22:01, jim--- via EV wrote: > Absolutely hate traffic circles... > They work fine if there is very low traffic, but if there is lots of traffic, > they are horrible... I hear that from a lot of folks. I've done some driving in France where roundabouts are very common. Most

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-01 Thread jim--- via EV
ist" Cc: "Peri Hartman" Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops) Incidentally, in Seattle, most residential streets don't have stop signs. "Crash data show there are far more accidents at intersections in Seattle with stop signs than with

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-01 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
t; Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bill Dube via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Bill Dube" > Sent: 01-Feb-22 15:48:05 > Subject: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's snea

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-01 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
No, not to generate traffic tickets. There are safety standards, based on traffic volume, accidents, etc, that determine where they go. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 1, 2022, at 3:48 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the

Re: [EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-01 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
rom https://www.kuow.org/stories/stop-signs-arent-all-theyre-cracked-be-seattle Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 01-Feb-22 15:48:

[EVDL] OT: US traffic controls (was: tesla's sneaky rolling stops)

2022-02-01 Thread Bill Dube via EV
    Tesla should treat a stop sign according to the law. However, the computer is acting logically according to the actual situation. I would suspect that there logically should be a yield sign instead of the stop sign. In most civilized parts of the world, stop signs are _extremely_ scarce.