Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-30 Thread Willie via EV
I met these folks earlier this year at the Junction Texas SuperCharger: https://teslaxcanada.com/ They were really enjoying life. Traveling ambassadors for Tesla and EVs in general. Pulling that teardrop cut their range from ~250 miles to probably less than 150. In addition to having the Su

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
If you do the math, you will find solar vehicles make no sense, period. Al Absolutes? I don't think so. A 4 passenger solar vehicle(with a trunk) holds a record of 932 miles on one full charge. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is putting solar on a typical conversion. But if th

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-29 Thread Dan Baker via EV
I agree that Solar vehicles are practical in certain applications. The ability to charge and move in remote areas without relying upon any external infrastructure is very appealing to a certain audience. Just look at the explosive growth (pun not intended) in home battery storage, no one thought

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-29 Thread Willie via EV
On 09/27/2017 09:01 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist project. I don't see it as a viable mass produced commercial product for a long time yet, if ever. It would have to be competitive with current vehicles at initial dealer-lot price, because that's all m

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math

2017-09-29 Thread 63urban via EV
r vehicles..just do the math David said: Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist project.  I don't see it as a viable mass produced commercial product for a long time yet, if ever.  It would have to be competitive with current vehicles at initial dealer-lot price, because that's all most bu

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math

2017-09-29 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
David said: Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist project.  I don't see it as a viable mass produced commercial product for a long time yet, if ever.  It would have to be competitive with current vehicles at initial dealer-lot price, because that's all most buyers see. Also, it can't be too odd-l

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-29 Thread Sean Korb via EV
I kind of like where the math takes you. I was imagining a world where every individual had a 450lb vehicle 50 feet long and 5 feet wide that went 50MPH, self driving of course, with only 1 car per person it could all be scheduled out to arrive to pick you up and deliver to your destination in pe

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-28 Thread Larry Gales via EV
Well, the Stella Lux seems to make sense to me On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > If you do the math, you will find solar vehicles make no sense, period. > > Al > > > > On 9/27/2017 10:01 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > >> Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist proje

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-28 Thread Alan Arrison via EV
If you do the math, you will find solar vehicles make no sense, period. Al On 9/27/2017 10:01 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist project. I don't see it as a viable mass produced commercial product for a long time yet, if ever. It would have to be competi

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Maybe you can do it as a hobbyist project. I don't see it as a viable mass produced commercial product for a long time yet, if ever. It would have to be competitive with current vehicles at initial dealer-lot price, because that's all most buyers see. Also, it can't be too odd-looking. Any

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
: Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.                             Hi Lawrence and All,                                       A solar RV can be done if one keeps it light, aero one large enough to live in with 6' standing headroom in some places by making a composite body like a cu

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
To: Lawrence Rhodes ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; spk...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:10 PM Subject: RE: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. But anyone who does not have a good place to park and charge at home overnight is simply not a good candidate for

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
wrence Rhodes via EV wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. To: "spk...@gmail.com" , "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2017, 5:52 PM The whole point with a solar vehicle is to be comple

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:25 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Lawrence Rhodes Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. Bob Said:The practical application of solar panels on a car are not for propulsionbut

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Bob Said:The practical application of solar panels on a car are not for propulsionbut for charging while parked.  The typical car sits at work under the sun for 8 hours a day.  With just 500W worth of solar panels during an 8 hour day, replenishes possibly 10 miles of range.  Usually plenty enoug

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 5:53 PM To: spk...@gmail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lawrence Rhodes Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. The whole point with a solar vehicle is to be completely free of the grid most of the time

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
sion List Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. I think you can get 15W/sqft and my Volt is not very efficient I often need 16KW if I take it easy but even at 8kw you would need  533sq feet of solar panels 23ft by 23ft.  So... n

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Sean Korb via EV
I think you can get 15W/sqft and my Volt is not very efficient I often need 16KW if I take it easy but even at 8kw you would need 533sq feet of solar panels 23ft by 23ft. So... not a great deal but with a 32KWh battery pack you could charge it with a 23x23 panel on your roof in 4 hours. That sou

Re: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes via EV Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 1:06 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Lawrence Rhodes Subject: [EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math. It seems people are underestimating the capaci

[EVDL] Solar vehicles..just do the math.

2017-09-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
It seems people are underestimating the capacity of solar panels on vehicles.   It is a simple math problem. Encapsulation is also a challenge. However I don't have the math to calculate how fast a 3.3kw solar system would push a 3000 pound vehicle.  It seems you would need 8kw to push a Leaf up