Intelligence and Trivial Intelligence defined

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
Trivial Awareness = Invariance (comparison (variance, invariance)) aka Pattern Matching Machine, computer program, inorganic molecules. Detection of difference. Trivial Intelligence = Any quantifiable consequence of recursive enumeration. Intelligence = Significant qualitative augmentation of

Re: The Computing Spacetime

2012-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jan 2012, at 07:17, Joseph Knight wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Stephen, Ronald, The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from the argument that any digital physics is bound to be unsuccessful on the

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 19, 5:40 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/19/2012 2:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: How is one any form of information more or less likely to be causally effective than any other form? Would you rather have an instruction manual in English or Urdu? Since I tend to put

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: How do you know that rocks fail the Turing Test? That question most certainly does not pass the Turing Test and for the same reason that the ancient ELIZA psychiatry program that you mentioned did not; it very soon became

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jan 2012, at 02:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 19, 11:33 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Jan 2012, at 21:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: My point is that a Turing machine is not even truly universal, let alone infinite. A universal Turing machine is, by definition a

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.01.2012 02:34 Jason Resch said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 19, 4:56 am, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Yes. Craig argue that machine cannot thinks by pointing on its fridge. Are you afraid to burn coal in

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.01.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... If you define the universe as deterministic from the beginning, then [...] I most certainly do not! We know the universe is NOT deterministic but we also know that

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? What about Big Bang? It has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did not happen for a reason. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 20, 12:21 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: How do you know that rocks fail the Turing Test? That question most certainly does not pass the Turing Test and for the same reason that the ancient ELIZA

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? What about Big Bang? It has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did not happen for a reason. John

Re: The Computing Spacetime

2012-01-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jan 2012, at 07:17, Joseph Knight wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Stephen, Ronald, The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from the argument that any digital physics is bound to be unsuccessful on the

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 20, 3:28 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012  Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? It has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a reason or it did not happen for a reason. Why can't reason

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 20, 2:03 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2012, at 02:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: What machine makes the infinite tape? Eventually the numbers themselves. It is simpler than the universal unitary rotation of the physicist, but if you want an infinite tape, you

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-20 Thread meekerdb
On 1/20/2012 12:47 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 21:28 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What about Big Bang? What about Big Bang? It has also happened for a reason? I have no idea, but I do know it happened for a