Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 7:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

Re: what is mechanism?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/1/2012 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > >

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul

Re: what is mechanism?

On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Autonomy?

On 02/07/2012, at 2:15 AM, John Clark wrote: > No, after the copying Bruno Washington and Bruno Moscow will both look at > their identical diary entries and both will conclude "I was right". And you, > the third party outside observer, will look at the behavior of both Bruno > Washington a

Re: what is mechanism?

On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:

Re: Autonomy?

On 7/1/2012 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: >> There are incompatible from the "1-pov" ONLY if you assume there can be only one Bruno Marchal > "1-pov" means "1-pov" from the 1-pov view. That's real nice,

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: O

Re: what is mechanism?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal w

Re: Autonomy?

On 7/1/2012 9:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:57 PM, meekerdb > wrote: > Suppose you predict "I will be in Washinton." But if he was smart and knowledgeable of the situation (and the thought experiment would be useless if he was not) that wo

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have me

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 12:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think tha

Re: Autonomy?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> There are incompatible from the "1-pov" ONLY if you assume there can be >> only one Bruno Marchal >> > > > "1-pov" means "1-pov" from the 1-pov view. > That's real nice, but the predictions written down in advance were: 1) I Bruno Marchal will write

Re: Autonomy?

On 01 Jul 2012, at 18:15, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > Suppose you predict "I will be in Washinton." But if he was smart and knowledgeable of the situation (and the thought experiment would be useless if he was not) that would NOT be his predicti

Re: Autonomy?

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > Suppose you predict "I will be in Washinton." > But if he was smart and knowledgeable of the situation (and the thought experiment would be useless if he was not) that would NOT be his prediction, instead he would make 2 predictions: 1) I Bruno

Re: Autonomy?

On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functional interaction. Something like a war, for instance involves lots of dynamic i/o, 'processing', etc. My question

Re: what is mechanism?

On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:57, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I thi

Re: what is mechanism?

On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible wi

Re: what is mechanism?

On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incomp

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Becau

Re: what is mechanism?

On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then?

Re: what is mechanism?

On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation

Re: what is mechanism?

On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation (ex

Re: Autonomy?

On 30 Jun 2012, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Jun 2012, at 21:20, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > You said yourself that the first person cannot be defined. How could we verify that prediction? Except by feeli

Re: Autonomy?

On 30 Jun 2012, at 19:28, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> As I said before if you really had complete information then you could make 2 predictions: 1) I Bruno Marchal will write in my diary "I Bruno Marchal am now in Washington and only Washington". 2) I