Re: Numbers in Space

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 9/20/2012 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. >> >> If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 11:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 8:17 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 9:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 6:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://w

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 8:17 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 9:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 6:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

On 9/20/2012 10:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:49:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:55 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:19:30 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Consciousness re

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 9:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 6:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html What's to explain? The bees found the

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 9:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Physical computers are assembled substances which exhibit exceptionally normative, controllable, and observable behaviors. Craig To understand a thing is to control a thing. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outla

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 9/20/2012 9:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:23:08 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: snip Hi Craig, You need to show how we can get some kind of closure in the map for this to work... O

Re: Faith, hope and love

On 9/20/2012 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg You can see from all of the flack I get here that being a believer, since you believe in something seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scienti

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

Did no one actually read the abstract of the article I sent? There were only 4 locations and the bees did not even use the optimum paths all the time. Jason On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. Ki

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:49:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/20/2012 12:55 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:19:30 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> Consciousness requires an autonomous self. >> > > Human cons

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 1:16 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. > > If the version of comp we are discussing here is

Re: Numbers in Space

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:10:39 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/20/2012 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. >> >> If the version of comp we are di

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 6:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html What's to explain? The bees found the shortest route. Do you suffer from th

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

On 9/20/2012 12:55 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:19:30 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Consciousness requires an autonomous self. Human consciousness requires an autonomous human self, but it is not necessarily true that consciousness require

Re: Numbers in Space

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:50:20 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/20/2012 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. > > > > If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of > > physics, then shouldn't it be p

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:23:08 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, Septem

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 12:26 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines u

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 9/20/2012 12:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost contradictory, for they may realize the identit

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 12:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:48:15 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 12:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html What's to explain? The bees found the shortest route. Do you suffer from the misconception that NP-hard = insoluble? NP

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 9/20/2012 12:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Crai

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com>> wrote: Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, then shouldn't it b

Re: Numbers in Space

On 9/20/2012 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using only empty space? Length can be quantified, s

Re: Faith, hope and love

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > You can see from all of the flack I get here > that being a believer, since you believe in something > seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific > mind), those that think rightly have the

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Roger Clough wrote: > Everything that God does by definition is just. > So much for religion giving morality a rock solid foundation, all it means is that God wants it. We should do good and avoid evil for one and only one reason, a loving God will torture us for eternity if we do not. Morali

Re: the lost seven cities of gold.

On 9/20/2012 9:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg , Because consciousness at the most is not physical and at the least it is a verb rather than a noun, that fellow below, in his search for consciousness, is like the early spanish explorers searching for the lost seven cities of gold.

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 7:15 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Collective consciousness Interesting. What links the bees together such that a "collective" is possible? On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/3886

Re: Life requires autonomy

On 9/20/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous. Materiali

Re: Life requires autonomy

On 9/20/2012 7:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interfer

Re: music on my mind

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Could you imagine sound doing this? > > > http://www.ideaconnection.com/innovation-videos/396-levitating-liquid-with-sound.html?ref=nl091912 > > Thanks for that, it is really cool. I like the top You

Re: music on my mind

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:25:48 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > Reflected eternal song(s) dressed in the illusion of time. As far as I can > see: proportions, relationships, ratios. That's what I mean by "a conceptual sculpture of abstraction". It's not real though. Prop

Re: On experiences and the self

On 9/20/2012 11:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Roger Clough > wrote: Hi Jason Resch Brain experiments by I forget who were performed by touching the brain at various points with a probe. With each point, the patient repor

Re: Prime Numbers

On 9/20/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: A modal logic of probability is given by the behavior of the "probability one". In Kripke terms, P(x) = 1 in world alpha means that x is realized in all worlds acc

Re: On experiences and the self

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Jason Resch > > Brain experiments by I forget who were performed by > touching the brain at various points with a probe. > With each point, the patient reported a different > experience was being recalled. > > On the other hand, others re

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:17, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost contradictory, for they may realize th

Re: Prime Numbers

On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote: On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: A modal logic of probability is given by the behavior of the "probability one". In Kripke terms, P(x) = 1 in world alpha means that x is realized in all worlds accessible from alpha, and (key point) that

Re: music on my mind

Reflected eternal song(s) dressed in the illusion of time. As far as I can see: proportions, relationships, ratios. Time makes them appear to chat and sing; but in some sense every song has already been sung, even if they've never been voiced or heard. Beethoven was almost completely deaf while he

Re: Numbers in Space

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. > > > > If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of > > physics, then shouldn't i

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:29:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The devil could not write the Bible for it asks us to love God and our neighbor. That's like thinking that if a person does drugs with you they can't be

Re: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:19:30 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Consciousness requires an autonomous self. > Human consciousness requires an autonomous human self, but it is not necessarily true that consciousness requires a 'self'. It makes more sense to say tha

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 9/20/2012 7:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural activity ... We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ... Some people have believed that consciousness cor

Re: Love and submission

Hi Roger, Is this post related the the e-mail thread? If so I am missing how. Could you clarify? Thanks, Jason On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Jason Resch > > Love means to love somebody else, other than yourself. > To do that, you must trust that person. > You wil

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:29:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > The devil could not write the Bible for it asks us to love God > and our neighbor. > That's like thinking that if a person does drugs with you they can't be a cop. Either the devil has free will, in

Re: Numbers in Space

On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using only empty space? You are quite quic

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 9/20/2012 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and therefore they woul

Re: Prime Numbers

On 9/20/2012 2:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: A modal logic of probability is given by the behavior of the "probability one". In Kripke terms, P(x) = 1 in world alpha means that x is realized in all worlds accessible from alpha, and (key point) that we are not in a cul-de-sac world. What does 'a

Re: Numbers in Space

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:48:15 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. >> >> If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, >> then shouldn't

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

On 9/20/2012 12:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html What's to explain? The bees found the shortest route. Do you suffer from the misconception that NP-hard = insoluble? NP is just a description of how a computat

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Because we know for a fact t

Re: music on my mind

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:46:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > I'm not so sure about "there is nothing but a conceptual sculpture of > abstraction". > > What would music be if there was no such thing as sound? What would you call it if it could not be expressed thr

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 20 Sep 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural activity ... We don't know that. It is a th

Re: Numbers in Space

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. > > If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, > then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using > only empty space? Length can

Numbers in Space

Here's another reductio ad absurdum illustration of comp. If the version of comp we are discussing here is independent of physics, then shouldn't it be possible for us to program universal machines using only empty space? Length can be quantified, so why can't we just use millimeters or Planck

Re: the lost seven cities of gold.

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:09:15 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg , > > Because consciousness at the most is not physical > and at the least it is a verb rather than a noun, > I think that consciousness includes the physical, the ideal, verbs, nouns, and the capacity to

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural > activity ... > > > We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ... > > Som

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal You could be right, but as I see it, organizing and focusing all of that complex network of nerves and their signals into a singular mental point would --to my mind at least-- be done by a singular intelligent agent. No problem,

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 20 Sep 2012, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: Because we know for a fact that our consciousness correlates with neural activity ... We don't know that. It is a theory, a belief, an assumption, ... Some people have believed that consciousness correlates to the state of the liver. We ne

Re: music on my mind

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:41:33 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: >> >> >> >> I am not saying arithmetic = music; I have no idea about that, just that >> the two can't do without each other. >> >> > I think that is true

the lost seven cities of gold.

Hi Craig Weinberg , Because consciousness at the most is not physical and at the least it is a verb rather than a noun, that fellow below, in his search for consciousness, is like the early spanish explorers searching for the lost seven cities of gold. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2

Re: Re: Bruno's Restaurant

Hi Bruno Marchal You could be right, but as I see it, organizing and focusing all of that complex network of nerves and their signals into a singular mental point would --to my mind at least-- be done by a singular intelligent agent. A self, in other words. And an intelligent self would a

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi meekerdb 1) That statement about Hell is hyperbole, an overstatement to get a point across. Jesus also said "Nobody who does not hate his mother and father can follow me." 2) I would reply to Epicurus that if he thinks life ios bad as it is, he has no idea how much worse it would be without

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi meekerdb You can only find the truth of the Bible by reading it as a little child. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen --- -

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:28:05 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> oof, this is getting too long. truncation ahoy... the upgraded Google >> Groups keeps spontaneously disposing of my writings. >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 19, 20

Love and submission

Hi Jason Resch Love means to love somebody else, other than yourself. To do that, you must trust that person. You will partly submit your will to them, or at least not dominate them. You will want to give things to that person. So love, trusting, submission and giving are all tangled together

Faith, hope and love

Hi Craig Weinberg You can see from all of the flack I get here that being a believer, since you believe in something seemingly to be nonsense (especially to the scientific mind), those that think rightly have the obligation to try to save you from this insanity. No surprises there. It certainly

Re: Life requires autonomy

On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:54, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous. Mat

Re: Bruno's Restaurant

On 20 Sep 2012, at 12:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Jason Resch Pragmatically speaking, the self has to be a singular, focussed point. I have trouble understanding how that can be done with a network of nerve signals. The semantic of all programs, like the so called denotational semantics,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi Craig Weinberg The devil could not write the Bible for it asks us to love God and our neighbor. My own take on Jesus' death is that the devil attacks everything he hates: beauty, goodness, youth, ... . These will either go to heaven or hell. God's justice, being all-pervasive, has to be to m

Re: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

Hi Craig Weinberg Consciousness requires an autonomous self. So does life itself. And intelligence. So, I hagte to say this, but perhaps consciousness and life may be a problem with mereology, don't know. Also, have you seen Jan Smuts' "Holism"? Maybe he solved the problem. He was a lousy gene

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

Collective consciousness On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > Any one up to explaining this: > > http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html > > > -- > You received this message

Re: Re: IMHO conscousness is an activity not a thing

Hi Bruno Marchal If you want to be the one who judges, who decides what is best or if it is logical or not, that's not trust, it's the way of the world. Secularism. The problem with secularism is that it cannot help you in a time of suffering or sorrow. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi Bruno Marchal The nazis did everything by the scientific method- using Darwin as a guide. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi Bruno Marchal God is just but he has to apply his justice to a contingent, imperfect world-- although Leibniz suggests that it is the best posible world. The scientific method cannot tell the just from the unjust. Would you trust your fate to the scientific method ? I sure wouldn't. Roger

Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

Hi Bruno Marchal Everything that God does by definition is just. God is righteous and he is justice itself. Perhaps it is not the best, but the best possible action in this contingent world. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woo

Life requires autonomy

Hi meekerdb I would say that one necessary ability for life is for an organism to be able to separate itself off from its environment and thus to be able to make its own decisions without outside interference. In other words, to be autonomous. Materialism provides no such focussing tool. I wou

From cacophony to a singular point of perception.

Hi Stathis Papaioannou The brain is dead meat unless something like vitalism or intelligence or consciousness is there to not only to provide life but to explain how the brain works. How is the brain able to focus its cacophony of electromagnetic signals into a perception ? For the brain is a

The self as synchronizer of complex ganglia networks

Hi Jason Resch My speculation is that, if for no other reason than that it makes sense, and from evidence of self-focussing of presumably complex signals in spread-out networks to form a single experience such as is demonstrated with a point brain probe, that these 49 ganglia synchronize or c

Re: IMHO conscousness is an activity not a thing

On 20 Sep 2012, at 11:45, Roger Clough wrote: BRUNO: I think that your metaphysics and reading of Leibniz makes sense for me, and comp, but I have to say I don't follow your methodology or teaching method on the religious field, as it contains authoritative arguments. ROGER: Everyth

Re: Re: Bruno's Restaurant

Hi Jason Resch Pragmatically speaking, the self has to be a singular, focussed point. I have trouble understanding how that can be done with a network of nerve signals. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receivin

Re: Re: music on my mind

Hi Craig Weinberg There are some descriptive theories of music but no prescriptive theories. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everyth

Re: Re: music on my mind

Hi Craig Weinberg My understanding of brain scans is that what they are seeing when one listens to music are electromagnegtic signals. These can be of some use, but how to interpret them as music is beyond me. Materialism can monitor the effects of experiences, which again can be of some use,

Re: Re: IMHO conscousness is an activity not a thing

BRUNO: I think that your metaphysics and reading of Leibniz makes sense for me, and comp, but I have to say I don't follow your methodology or teaching method on the religious field, as it contains authoritative arguments. ROGER: Everything I write should be prefaced with IMHO. BRUNO: M

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 20 Sep 2012, at 08:01, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 10:50 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost contradictory, for they m

Re: the "nothing but" fallacy.

On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote: On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and therefore they would be torturing themselves. That would

Re: Prime Numbers

On 19 Sep 2012, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/19/2012 2:39 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Dear Bruno, Your remarks raise an interesting question: Could it be that both the object and the means to generate (or perceive) it are of equal importance ontologically? Yes. It comes from the

Re: Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

As usual with scientific journalism, the media over hypes the more modest claims of the original article: "We analyzed bee flight movements in an array of four artificial flowers maximizing interfloral distances. Starting from a single patch, we sequentially added three new patches so that if bees

Bees solve NP-Hard problems! How?

Any one up to explaining this: http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/items/se/38864.html -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send e