Leibniz's monads and comp as functionalisms
Could the metaphysical theory of mind of Leibniz involving monads,
the concept of comp (that mental functions can be simulated by calculations)
and the philosophy of mind known as functionalism be similar ? The answer is
yes if we consider them by what
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Instead of trying to understand these phenomena under
the materialist function of mind (what they are) it
is IMHO more useful to understand them by what they
do-- create the subjective or mental correlates to
the physical sources. The functional theory of mind
then is the
Hi meekerdb
Please explain why the criticism of Dennett is wrong.
This is another drive-by shooting of yours.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: meekerdb
Hi meekerdb
Quanta do exist, and can be measured,
but by definition they can only be experienced as qualia,
(another word for experience) which can't be measured.
Quanta are within spacetime, qualia are beyond spacetime.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
Forever is a long time,
Hi Richard,
Is there some way, such as reducing the dimensions of
strings to zero, that one can transverse from the world
of extension (the physical world) to that of inextended
experience or theory?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the
Hi Brent,
What happens -- or is it even possible -- to
collapse the dimensions down to one (which I
conjecture might be time), or zero (Platonia or mind).
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
- Receiving the
No Roger,
In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme
modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal
dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite of what Brent thinks.
However, the string theory monads that result from compactification
have many of the
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
It is suggested that computers can possibly simulate the mind at least
functionally, perhaps it has already been done:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_%28philosophy_of_mind%29
Since mental states are identified by a functional role, they are said to be
Hi Stephen P. King
Wow ! This connects up with what I have been speculating,
namely that comp or at least some sort of calculation,
can, if not recreate the brainmind, at least simulate what it does.
I need to study more about your theory.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
On Friday, October 26, 2012 1:01:34 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
We are atoms, molecules, cells, tissues, and organisms. Whatever we do
is
what the laws of physics *actually are*. Your assumptions
STEPHEN: Hi Richard,
How does Vafa explain the stability/instability of compactified
dimensions? My chief worry is that all of the stringy and loopy theories
assume a pre-existing continuum of space-time of some sort, the very
Aristotelian substance idea that Bruno's argument
On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle,
which are pretty smart
as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in
Africa, and they *are*
humans. And we
Hi Richard Ruquist
Thank you, but monads are not extended in space,
they are mental and so inextended.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/26/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: Richard Ruquist
On 25 Oct 2012, at 15:06, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/25/2012 7:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephan,
Since yesterday it occurred to me that you may be thinking of the 10
or more dimensions of string theory as being orthogonal because they
were so before the big bang. But the dimensions
On 25 Oct 2012, at 17:55, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
But I don not mean such kind of anticipation. such anticipation by
gathering information and computation is a fundamental activity of
living beings.
OK.
I refer to adivination. I suppose that a definition of
adivination is the
Richard,
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:42, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno,
Doesn't the Gleason Theorem negate MWI by assigning probabilities?
Richard
On the contrary. Gleason theorem solves the measure problem
intrinsic in the Everett MWI, it makes the probabilities into comp (or
weakening) first
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color
can be communicated and we have an RGB language for doing so that
makes it more quanta than qualia. So extending your point to
Schrodinger, if you're a wine connoisseur you have
On 25 Oct 2012, at 19:35, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/25/2012 7:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Oct 2012, at 20:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/24/2012 7:56 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:21:23 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 10/23/2012 6:33 PM, Max Gron wrote:
On
Roger,
Your Leibniz monads are not extended, but the monads of string theory
are extended yet have most of the important properties of inextension.
Richard
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Thank you, but monads are not extended in
On 25 Oct 2012, at 19:49, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/25/2012 8:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Brent wrote:
If you're going to explain purpose, meaning, qualia,
thoughts,...you need to start from something simpler that does not
assume those things. Bruno proposes to explain matter as well,
For Hans,
Topological order: from long-range entangled quantum matter to an
unification of light and electrons
Xiao-Gang Wen
(Submitted on 4 Oct 2012)
In primary school, we were told that there are four states of matter:
solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. In college, we learned that there are
much
On 25 Oct 2012, at 19:54, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/25/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a
world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate
cellular activity
On 25 Oct 2012, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:33:58 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
Accumulating wealth is hardly an achievement of human progress.
Wealth and human progress are
On 25 Oct 2012, at 22:58, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational
states of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle) decide if
a system is experiencing the color red is to see if the right
algorithm is being executed.
That's right.
On 10/26/2012 8:15 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Wow ! This connects up with what I have been speculating,
namely that comp or at least some sort of calculation,
can, if not recreate the brainmind, at least simulate what it does.
I need to study more about your theory.
Hi Roger,
On 10/26/2012 8:44 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Dear Bruno and Alberto,
I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a genetic
algorithm can isolate anticipative programs, I think that anticipation
is the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach saw inertia. It is
a relation
On 10/26/2012 4:51 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Quanta do exist, and can be measured,
but by definition they can only be experienced as qualia,
(another word for experience) which can't be measured.
Well that's the point isn't it. Quanta are what can be shared, and they can be shared
On 10/26/2012 5:00 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Brent,
What happens -- or is it even possible -- to
collapse the dimensions down to one (which I
conjecture might be time), or zero (Platonia or mind).
I'm not sure what you mean by 'collapse'. Do you mean, Is is possible to invent a theory
On 10/26/2012 5:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
It is suggested that computers can possibly simulate the mind at least
functionally, perhaps it has already been done:
At least they've already simulated the mind of mathematicians. :-)
... this is pure math-fun,
On 10/26/2012 5:08 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
No Roger,
In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme
modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal
dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite of what Brent thinks.
Do you have a reference that
On 10/26/2012 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which
are
pretty smart
as computers go. We manage not to think about starving
On 10/26/2012 6:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Well, in defense of Craig, or of the devil, this has not been proved. The problem
occurs, or at least is easy to prove only when we make the digital assumption. This
entails a truncation of the subject, local and relative (its mind code) which by the
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be
communicated and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta than
qualia. So extending your point to
On 10/25/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Oct 2012, at 20:29, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/24/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote:
What difference does what they refer to matter? Eventually there
has to be some physical process or
Yes
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 10/26/2012 5:08 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
No Roger,
In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme
On 10/26/2012 3:00 PM, meekerdb wrote:
ot so much fun for the mathematics journal that accepted one of these
for publication a couple of months ago.
http://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102
Turing test anyone?
Not a Turing test; simply a demonstration of the Peter Principle.
--
On 10/26/2012 4:31 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Yes
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory
Hi Richard,
Could you cut and paste the specific description that answers
Brent's question?
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdb
Stathis:
IMO you left out one difference in equating computer and human: the
programmed comp. cannot exceed its hardwre - given content while
(SOMEHOW???) a human mind receives additional information from parts
'unknown' (see the steps forward in cultural history of the sciences?) -
accordingly a
On 10/26/2012 1:31 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Yes
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory
A search on embed turns up nothing about embedding in 3-space.
Brent
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On
The requested excerpt from
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory:
Calabi-Yau manifolds in string theory
Superstring theory is a unified theory for all the forces of nature
including quantum gravity. In superstring theory, the fundamental
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
The requested excerpt from
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory:
Calabi-Yau manifolds in string theory
Superstring theory is a unified theory for all the forces
Dear Richard,
From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional
space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a
4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a 6-dimensional space X.
This local product operation, represented by the 'x' is the act
of adding two
Dear Richard,
You wrote: the picture of the Compact Manifolds as a periodic
structure of 6d particles in 3D space. I agree that a crude reading of
10d string theory is consistent with this picture. This picture is built
for use in quantum field theories where particles are excitations of
No one said they were free floating
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Dear Richard,
From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time
of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski
space M3,1
On 10/26/2012 4:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Dear Richard,
From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time of string
theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a
6-dimensional space X.
This local product operation,
Hi Richard,
OK, then where are we in disagreement?
On 10/26/2012 8:05 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
No one said they were free floating
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Dear Richard,
From the quote below: it is expected that the
On 10/26/2012 8:33 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 4:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Dear Richard,
From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional
space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a
4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a 6-dimensional space X.
Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline
structure.
And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating,
then we are in disagreement.
Richard
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Richard,
OK, then where
On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline
structure.
And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating,
then we are in disagreement.
Richard
Hi Richard,
They cannot be free floating. On that we
On 10/26/2012 7:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline
structure.
And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating,
then we are in disagreement.
Richard
Hi Richard,
All of it ultimately has to be grounded in ordinary conscious experience.
Otherwise we have an infinite regress of invisible homunculi translating
crystalline manifolds in compactified space into ordinary experiences. At
what point does it become necessary for vibrating topological constructs
On 10/26/2012 11:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
All of it ultimately has to be grounded in ordinary conscious
experience. Otherwise we have an infinite regress of invisible
homunculi translating crystalline manifolds in compactified space into
ordinary experiences. At what point does it become
Stephan,
I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious
self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as
distinguishing what can be from what cannot be, as for example in
constructor theory.
In my model conscious awareness is an arithmetic emergent due to the
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
we know that nobody can answer the question why do I feel to be the one
in Washington and not in Moscow.
Because your eyes are sending signals to your brain of the White House and
not of the Kremlin, and there is nothing more
On 10/26/2012 9:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/26/2012 10:36 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 7:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline
structure.
And you repeated my remark. If
On 10/27/2012 12:07 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Stephen,
I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious
self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as
distinguishing what can be from what cannot be, as for example in
constructor theory.
In my model conscious
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