On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Hey everyone,
I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of
the
wonderful stuff that comes up, e
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
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> Hey everyone,
>
> I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of
> the wonderful stuff that comes up, even if some of it tends towards ad
> hominem, ar
On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Hey everyone,
I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of the wonderful
stuff that comes up, even if some of it tends towards ad hominem, argument from
authority, and petitio principi. Hey, we're humans, right? That m
I was so impressed with this page
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a1
that I thought it was worth listing a few here:
*MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.*
*MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.*
*MIS
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:35:22 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
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> Hey everyone,
>
> I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of
> the wonderful stuff that comes up, even if some of it tends towards ad
> hominem, argument from authority, and petitio princip
On 1/27/2013 6:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King
mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:
On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King
mailto:stephe...@charter.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> Dear Bruno and Stephen,
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> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
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>> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism
Dear Dan,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:41 PM, freqflyer07281972 <
thismindisbud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Telmo,
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> With my recent post fresh in my mind, I think I can engage with you a bit
> on the meaning and purpose of meditation.
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> I think the main point of meditation is to see 'what is'
On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King
mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest
a long and
Dear Bruno and Stephen,
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and
>> deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the big
>> bang is no
On 1/27/2013 4:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
What I really what to know is: wha
Dear Telmo,
With my recent post fresh in my mind, I think I can engage with you a bit
on the meaning and purpose of meditation.
I think the main point of meditation is to see 'what is' for 'what it is.'
Nothing more, nothing less.
All 'other worlds, other universes, other possibilities' are
Hey everyone,
I've been following this group a lot. I read it everyday and enjoy all of
the wonderful stuff that comes up, even if some of it tends towards ad
hominem, argument from authority, and petitio principi. Hey, we're humans,
right? That means we get to make these fallacies, in good con
On 1/27/2013 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
It is merely a strange and unsettling thing to understand that when consequence of some
fact is not part of your current observer moment, said fact is indeterminant (in many
possible states) until you bring some consequence of that fact into your current
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:14:48AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> A TOE should include something about consciousness,
I agree.
> which of course it doesn't,
_it_? Whose?
> which of course is why
> TOEs by those, such as you, dismissive of Cs generally fail.
I'm not d
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>> and where and when they do not,
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> (Capitalist Sub-Saharan Africa)
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Sub-Saharan Africa is not capitalist, it's a mix of feudalism and anarchy.
Capitalism requires private ownership rights. These only exist if an
effective judicial system and police are in place so that contracts are
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>> What I really what to know is: what motivates the need to find
>> oppression?
>>
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:36 AM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 1/26/2013 11:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, meekerdb wrote:
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>> On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any
>> observer only know
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> Hi Telmo,
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>>> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, T
On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
What I really what to know is: what motivates the need to find
oppression?
What motivates the need to deny oppression?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression
''
On 1/27/2013 5:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jan 2013, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/25/2013 8:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could
be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so how would we kn
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:37:33 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> On 1/27/2013 10:15 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:20:45 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>> Opression ? Consider socialism.
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> Like Scandinavian-style socialism? Sounds pretty
On 1/27/2013 3:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing
jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists
Are you saying it was OK to kill all those women and children because they were
communists. Of course in Spain a
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> What I really what to know is: what motivates the need to find
> oppression?
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What motivates the need to deny oppression?
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Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep in
the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
2013/1/27 Bruno Marchal
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> On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:14, Roger Clough wrote:
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> Hi John Clark,
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> Other than Luther's ancie
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
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> > I have no conflict being a scientist when I deal with science, and being
> a Christian when I deal with the Bible.
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As a Christian how do you deal with the fact that the God of the old
testament was such a petty repellent piece of shit? And as for
Dear John,
Hear Hear emotions are biases that are imposed on senses, ISTM.
On 1/27/2013 12:09 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement.
I use the more polite word *'agnosticism'* for /'ignorance'/.
In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop
s
On 1/27/2013 10:15 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:20:45 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Opression ? Consider socialism.
Like Scandinavian-style socialism? Sounds pretty good to me. If I
could get a job in Sweden or Norway I would love to do that.
Craig
Scandinavi
On 1/27/2013 10:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:46:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 1/27/2013 12:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:15:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul
King wrote:
On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinbe
Roger -
thank you for your clear-minded post. I my add: there is a shortage of men
for the imperialistic politics the US seems to pursue and without resoring
to general draft only the female input is hopeful.
John Mikes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
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> The "unfairness" ar
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> > Without religion, science is pseudo-religion
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That's OK with me. Religion is bullshit, so pseudo-bullshit is better than
pure, triple distilled, extra virgin, investment grade bullshit.
> > How would you define "grand" for a concept?
>
That d
On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long
and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest
that the big bang is not the beginning.
Dear Bruno,
I think that comp plus some finite limit on resources =
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> Germany has always been antisemitic
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Thanks to that pioneering antisemitic crusader, Martin Luther.
> Hitler just organized the killing jews,
And the writings of Luther and Hitler on the Jews are almost
indistinguishable, if you didn't know you'd b
Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement.
I use the more polite word *'agnosticism'* for *'ignorance'*.
In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop some
*faith* in a setup explaining *'us',* 'our world', 'whatever happens' (and
why not) etc. based on the ever increasing content
What are we talking about ?
==
a) We don't know what 'virtual particles' are,
b) we don’t know what electron is,
c) we don't know what water is,
d) we don't know what entropy is,
e) we don’t know what inertia is . . . . .etc
.
a)
The concept of virtual particles are . . . 'an approxi
OK, careless connotation. JM
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi John Mikes
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> Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews.
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On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:20:45 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Opression ? Consider socialism.
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Like Scandinavian-style socialism? Sounds pretty good to me. If I could get
a job in Sweden or Norway I would love to do that.
Craig
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On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi Craig,
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> Or belief in socialism/communism, such as you.
>
I don't 'believe in' socialism/communism. I observe that a healthy
civilization integrates private and public values, just like a healthy
psyche does the same. Whe
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:46:13 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> On 1/27/2013 12:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:15:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>> On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> > If you are born in bondage to a po
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:09:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jan 2013, at 20:52, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:03, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> John,
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>> I agree with Craig. The conc
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:46:02 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi Bruno,
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> It isn't that we influence the universe,
> the universe IS us.
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Yes! Us liberals, socialists, Jews, women, Nazis, capitalists.. The
universe is all of us.
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On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:58:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi John Mikes
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> Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews.
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Why would you think that could possibly be true?
If the head of Coca-Cola began a weekly TV program about how your house
should be burned down, and th
Should we believe the Bible or the Evolutionists ?
IMHO My view that science (reason) and religion (faith) are mutually exclusive
is Lutheran, and certainly not true of catholics, who at least since
Aquinas, believe that truth is reason-based. And even
Luther mellowed a bit in later years agai
On 25 Jan 2013, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/25/2013 8:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not
convince me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to
our memories, so how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are
exper
On 25 Jan 2013, at 20:52, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:16:02 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jan 2013, at 22:03, Jason Resch wrote:
John,
I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in
several religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_s
Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO meditation is a perfectly natural phenomenon
that does not need to be "integrated" into anything.
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On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, R
Hi Bruno Marchal
My view that science and religion are mutually exclusive
is certainly not true of catholics, who at least since
Aquinas, believe that truth is reason-based. And even
Luther mellowed a bit in later years against his harsh view
of reason (which opposes faith).
But, having said t
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> Hi Telmo,
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>> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was thinking about meditation a
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote:
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> I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the
> links of consciousness to the noise of the brain,
> suggesting that Cs is not a product of the brain,
> rather the reverse. It lets us
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> Hi Telmo,
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>>> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
I was thinki
On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:14, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi John Clark,
Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard
to
salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything
Luther said,
although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for
the Po
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> It's a fascinating idea.
> Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists, but it
> makes sense to me that evolution could work at the colony level, the same
> way it
On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
Hi Telmo,
On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi all,
I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of
"oneness with the universe", "non separation",
On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote:
I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the
links of consciousness to the noise of the brain,
suggesting that Cs is not a product of the brain,
rather the reverse. It lets us experience Cs
as it really is, cosmic, free of the brain.
OK. No
On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Dear Roger,
This is the lutheran view. That´s fine. I love lutherans. but this
work as long as you have faith. But once leave the faith, people
have no guide in very important things and fall in primitive cults
with a modern facade. For
Hi Bruno,
It isn't that we influence the universe,
the universe IS us.
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24,
Hi meekerdb
Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing
jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists
but anyway, Luther's writings were done somewhat
obscurely in the 16th century.
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On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote:
It's a fascinating idea.
Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists,
but it makes sense to me that evolution could work at the colony
level, the same way it does for social insects. Even more easily,
because bacteria r
Opression ? Consider socialism.
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Subject: Re: a system of oppression?
On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Steph
Hi Craig,
Or belief in socialism/communism, such as you.
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On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11
Hi Russell Standish
A TOE should include something about consciousness,
which of course it doesn't, which of course is why
TOEs by those, such as you, dismissive of Cs generally fail.
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On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:08, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote:
> evolution is complex and counter-intuitive.
The basic idea behind Evolution is not complex but it is counter-
intuitive because the human mind tends to endow intentionality to
nearly everything. That
Hi John Mikes
Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews.
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Brent:
you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader ac
The "unfairness" argument for allowing women into the infantry
is emotionally based, thus hard to defend against, so that regrettably
I fell for it. The argument is that not allowing women into the
infantry is unfair to women because "they are just as good as men"
at fighting, and not allowin
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