Re: Science is a religion by itself.

.Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit If triangles made a God they would give him three sides / Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 / # There were people who said ‘God ‘ and thought about Zeus. There are people who say ‘God ‘ and think about Holly Cow. If p

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Hi Telmo. Group selection It is no longer controversial. Naive group selection do not work, but selection between groups where internal deletereous behaviours are repressed to a certan level (but never eliminated) does work. The theory i

Re: Is there an aether ?

Hi Roger, On 25 Jan 2013, at 15:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Separated, yes. But accesible to all IMHO. But then why separate them? Why not allowing seriousness in theology. To ease our fear of death? That's the local goal, and it makes sense locally, but it leads to more pro

Re: Generalized Löb's Theorem

Hi Stephen, On 25 Jan 2013, at 18:06, Stephen P. King wrote: Have you seen this? What implications does it have? http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.5340.pdf If the result is correct (which I think it is) it is a nice generalization of Löb's theorem. It makes it somehow more so

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange "realities". Even the idea that we are unco

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 1/27/2013 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013

Fwd: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent *Lessons from the Block Universe* * *Ken Wharton Departm

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at

Re: Sensing the presence of God

Hi Roger, Pro-life will lead to comp abuse, when you will get an artificial brain without your consent. Pro-life is risky making comp into a (pseudo)-religion, but comp warns us that if this happen, we will get unsound, arithmetically. But there is a possibility we already are. Bruno

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 05:35:01PM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > Russell, > > > > Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the > myths > > and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant, more so tha

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 01:22:22PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: > > The idea that there are infinitely many universe (or an infinitely > big one) and therefore everything must be repeated infinitely many > times is incoherent. If there's a copy of this universe, then it > *IS* this universe by Leibniz'

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 05:35:01PM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > Russell, > > Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the myths > and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant, more so than many posts > I see here. > > FYI: Musk gets his ideas "in the showe

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On 1/28/2013 4:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil ,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 07:30:16AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > Perhaps you can enlighten me. Can you define "nothing" ? Yes - I devote a whole chapter to the topic in my book. > > I follow Descartes, who said that physical entities have extended existence > and nonphy

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil ,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

Craig: beautiful series. Mostly agreeable terms. I used some of it in a slightly different sense, but not oppositional; *Organisms do not adapt. *We have to realize the diversity of ALL existence and "similarly looking" groups show differences, observed. or beyond our capability of detection. Thos

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:33:23 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.* >> >> *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.* >> >> *M

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

Not with (money/power hungry) politicians we have nowadays. That, maybe a "Superior firepower" brings up competition and - maybe - crimes like the 9-11-2001 especially if some religious self-sacrifice can be included. Imperialism has its new formats, e.g. to rule over natural resources (raw materia

Re: Chosen-ness

On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:34:32 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/28/2013 5:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent w

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> I agree with you, peace and freedom are not

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 14:06, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal IMHO meditation is a perfectly natural phenomenon that does not need to be "integrated" into anything. ? Then, why do you integrate it in the natural phenomenon? Bruno - Receiving the following content - From: Br

Re: Facts, values, and "Non-overlapping magisteria"

Hi Roger Clough, On 27 Jan 2013, at 14:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My view that science and religion are mutually exclusive is certainly not true of catholics, who at least since Aquinas, believe that truth is reason-based. And even Luther mellowed a bit in later years against his

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

On 1/28/2013 10:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and ideological. Amoral, sure. Ideological, I don't get it. I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free witho

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

On 1/28/2013 8:35 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, Isn't everything - the "E" in TOE. So let's discuss French cuisine and airline security. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" grou

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:44, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote: I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the links of consciousness to the noise of the brain, suggesting that Cs is not a product

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

Hi Craig, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth >> without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case.

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: It's a fascinating idea. Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists, but it makes sense to me that evolution c

Re: meditation

Hi Roger, On 27 Jan 2013, at 12:46, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno, It isn't that we influence the universe, the universe IS us. Which universe? Bruno - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 00:53:25 Subject: Re: meditati

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

On 27 Jan 2013, at 12:28, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists but anyway, Luther's writings were done somewhat obscurely in the 16th century. Luther was not alone.

Re: Chosen-ness

On 1/28/2013 5:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Hey everyo

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.* > > *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.* > > *MISCONCEPTION: The fittest organisms in a population are those that are > strongest, health

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without > strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. > Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and i

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

Russell, Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the myths and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant, more so than many posts I see here. FYI: Musk gets his ideas "in the shower and at burning man" + he turned down Ivy PhD because he could see then, that it was "

About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil ,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: a system of oppression?

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:51:24 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 1/27/2013 4:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12

Re: Chosen-ness

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> I've been following this group a lot.

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

Hi meekerdb The killing of anybody is wrong. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 14:19:38 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality On 1/27/2013 3:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Germany has always been antisemit

Re: Re: a system of oppression?

Hi Stephen P. King One man's oppression is another man's guiding light. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 14:51:04 Subject: Re: a system of oppression? On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, Janu

On military spending

Hi Telmo Menezes Military spending is almost impossible to grasp. To give a few of the factors: 1) The military is mostly corporate welfare, since there is no private market (at least in this country) for such weapons. 2) At the same time, this corporate welfare provides jobs and stimulates t

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

Hi Russell Standish Perhaps you can enlighten me. Can you define "nothing" ? I follow Descartes, who said that physical entities have extended existence and nonphysical entities (such as mind or consciousness) have nonextended existence. IMHO A common sense definition of "nothing" would exclu

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. The problem in the USA, though, is the in(famous) military-industrial complex. Powerful corporations profit incredibly from war. That's the wrong incentiv

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

Hi John Mikes You wrongly assume that the killing power of the infantry necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 12:31:36 Sub