Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
On 5 November 2013 17:11, wrote: > I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites. > Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really mean > that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this claim. In > fact, there are no, non mixed econo

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 8:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Briefly, tea baggers want a more limited govt cost wise. Why? What do you want to cut? the military? (not according the signs I see at rallies) Welfare to the unfortunate? Support for education? Social security? Medicare? In other words y

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread spudboy100
Briefly, tea baggers want a more limited govt cost wise. Roll things back to the 2005,2007 annual budget. We also want the Constition upheld. Hayek is well liked by the Tea baggers, road to sefdom was passed around. -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Mon, N

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread spudboy100
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites. Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really mean that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this claim. In fact, there are no, non mixed economies anymore, in the us, china, and rus

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread John Mikes
As far as I - as a newspaper-reading stiff - know - it was Mitt Romney, not exactly as it was implemented - asked for by the dying late Sen. Ed. Kennedy at his last visit to Congress. Obama only kept the basic (capitalist?) format to let insurers and other investors (and lawyers) reap profit on th

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
So just "corporatism", then? Although there is a lot of "superorganism" worship and desire for national glory in the US, and a strong desire to conquer "inferior and backward nations" - often by commercial rather than military means. Plus paying lip service to individualism doesn't seem to contrad

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 5:22 PM, LizR wrote: Ah, good point. I have even seen "The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui". I should have remembered. So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have fascist governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone realises the f

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
Ah, good point. I have even seen "The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui". I should have remembered. So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have fascist governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone realises the fact! On 5 November 2013 14:10, meeke

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 4:44 PM, LizR wrote: I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the proletariat) - interestingly in lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful state) - might get people killed. But in the last

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power, which is what Marxism and Fascism are all about. Her individualism, stuff is central to her philosophy, but breaks down to the argument that being forced to donate is no donation at

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the proletariat) - interestingly in lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful state) - might get people killed. But in the last sentence you say this is a "wrong beli

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread spudboy100
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power, which is what Marxism and Fascism are all about. Her individualism, stuff is central to her philosophy, but breaks down to the argument that being forced to donate is no donation at all, but extortion from unlimited state power.

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
Yes. This is also true of various other problems with US society (some of them not just in the US). On 5 November 2013 11:22, wrote: > In the US they waited too long and they now have a very inefficient > system, they pay twice as much per capita compared to most other Western > countries for h

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread smitra
In the US they waited too long and they now have a very inefficient system, they pay twice as much per capita compared to most other Western countries for healthcare. But then that also means that you now have this huge health care industry in the US comprising of insurance companies, private h

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote: >> > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I >> > don't >> > reason

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
Fair enough! I only knew about the UK for sure. It's ridiculous to consider a country that doesn't provide some basic level of healthcare and other safety nets to every citizen as part of the "First World". On 5 November 2013 10:17, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/4/2013 1:06 PM, LizR wrote: > >> Sure

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 1:06 PM, LizR wrote: Surely someone has to drag the US (no doubt whingeing about how awful it is that the rich should provide the poor with even a rudimentary level of health care) into 1948 eventually? 1948? Hell, Bismarck brought universal healthcare to Germany in 1890. Brent

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread LizR
Surely someone has to drag the US (no doubt whingeing about how awful it is that the rich should provide the poor with even a rudimentary level of health care) into 1948 eventually? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscri

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2013 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally. Yes, but one has to be careful about

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote: >> > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Nov 2013, at 18:53, Jason Resch wrote: It looks like Zeh had more to say in 1999, this theory seems much closer to many dreams: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-minds_interpretation #Continuous_infinity_of_minds and http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9908084 Continuous infinity

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Nov 2013, at 15:57, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Nov 4, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 03 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal < > marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't > reason against it and nature ha

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
The Heritage Foundation On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > *What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ? * > > No matter what your age, most people will find Obamacare > way too expensive. But there's no penalty for a pre-existing illness. > So most people are going

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Nov 2013, at 15:57, Jason Resch wrote: On Nov 4, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2013, at 09:17, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Bruno

Re: What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread smitra
What will happen is that the focus of the right wing extremists in the US on sabotaging the health care law, will lead to a Hillary being elected in 2016, a Democratic controlled House of Representatives and a fillibuster proof Democratic majority in the Senate. And that with a strong left wing

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 Chris de Morsella wrote: > LOL -- totally -- who exactly is this undefined "many" that considers > Scalia to be an intellectual? > According to Wikipedia "Scalia has been described as the intellectual anchor of the Court's conservative wing", and it makes sense in a way, cons

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I > don't > > reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies > locally. > > Yes, but

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Nov 4, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2013, at 09:17, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2013, at 20:11, J

What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?

2013-11-04 Thread Roger Clough
What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ? No matter what your age, most people will find Obamacare way too expensive. But there's no penalty for a pre-existing illness. So most people are going to dodge the bullet, take the penalty, and just wait until they get sick. That changes the s

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Furthermore, her point is that competition in a free market actually > helps everybody -- by providing better goods and services at lower > prices -- while redistribution of money based on violence does not, > and is in fact generally a con

Ryle's "category mistake" and why spacetime, to a platonist, is contained in Mind

2013-11-04 Thread Roger Clough
Ryle's "category mistake" and why spacetime, to a platonist, is contained in Mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake This is a very subtle issue. "The term "category-mistake" was introduced by Gilbert Ryle in his book The Concept of Mind (1949) to remove what he argued to be a c

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't > reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally. Yes, but one has to be careful about global narratives. Our culture is filled

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
Here is a discussion of how greed is in the process of destroying our fiat currency banking system: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-entire-fiat-money-system-is-bankrupt-demise-of-the-global-us-fiat-dollar-reserve-currency/5356491 On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiple

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally. My main problem is that I just can't picture myself around a bunch of Rand fans licking their fingers "greed is good, keep deregulating all things

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:36 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/3/2013 3:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote: > >>> >>> Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a >>> intellectual, in fact t

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Nov 2013, at 22:43, meekerdb wrote: On 11/3/2013 1:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 11/2/2013 10:53 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> You have been duplicated so there are TWO FIRST PERSON POV a

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2013, at 09:17, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2013, at 20:11, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:09 A

Re: For John Clark

2013-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Nov 2013, at 19:46, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So "you" sees both Moscow AND Washington. No, anyone of the two see only one city. So what is the one and only one city that the 2 you see. W for tham in W. And M for the guy in M.