The hard problem........

2017-05-01 Thread Bruce Kellett
This might be relevant to the discussions -- remember the "mouse-over"... https://xkcd.com/1831/ Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: ​Movie argument ​

2017-05-01 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> You said you could never experience 2 things at the same >> ​ >> time, I gave a example of a way that you could. > > > ​> ​ > Yes, by giving the 3-1 view, > ​I don't know what that means. I do know that I give a example of how in the

​Movie argument

2017-05-01 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> ​>> ​ >> what is that one and only one answer? Is it Moscow or Washington? >> ​ ​ >> And if there is only one then >> ​ ​ >> why do you call it " the future 1p views ", why is it plural? > > > ​> ​ > Because we are in a duplication thought

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2017, at 20:25, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/30/2017 4:39 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 April 2017 at 09:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/25/2017 6:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 at 5:58 am, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou

Re: What are atheists for?

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Apr 2017, at 20:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/30/2017 6:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Physicalists talk about emergence from complex interactions of matter. I remain baffled and ask you the same question that I ask physicalists: what is the first principle from where consciousness aris

Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2017, at 04:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:41:44 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: On 4/30/2017 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Which is not what you said in the quote above. The quote is "first > person experience in physics has to be a sum on all computations". > Pe

Re: Weak Materialism versus Physicalism

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2017, at 02:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 1/05/2017 1:57 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2017, at 03:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/04/2017 1:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2017, at 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: The absurdity, if I've understood this, is that idea of physical

Re: ​Movie argument ​

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2017, at 01:41, John Clark wrote: ​Bruno wrote:​ >​ It is not a time asymmetry,​ it is first person asymmetry. You said you could never experience 2 things at the same​ time, I gave a example of a way that you could. Yes, by giving the 3-1 view, but that was not what was asked.

Re: Movie Argument ​

2017-05-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2017, at 01:30, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​>> ​OK b​ut ​tell me Bruno, how many correct answers to the question "which city will BM feel​ ​feel to be personally​​ i​n after the duplication?​" Do you think there is only one corr