Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 4/12/2017 2:34 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 02:11:11PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/12/2017 9:03 am, Russell Standish wrote: The point being that the uncertainty in the coin's initial position is itself due to the amplification of quantum uncertainty by classical c

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 02:11:11PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 3/12/2017 9:03 am, Russell Standish wrote: > > The point being that the uncertainty in the coin's initial position is > > itself due to the amplification of quantum uncertainty by classical > > chaos. > > That may happen in some c

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/3/2017 7:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I think it is most likely that the magician knows the way the coin is lying initially, and simply counts the number of spins, catching the coin after the appropriate even or odd number. As you suggest, this trick would not work if you allow the coin

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 3/12/2017 9:03 am, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 11:49:06AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 1/12/2017 8:57 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: The coin is classical, consisting of something of the order of 10^22 atoms. Indeterminacy in position as given by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Pr

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/3/2017 5:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:11:41 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wr

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/3/2017 5:11 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: I ca

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:11:41 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Ja

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes pre

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:20:36 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:21 AM, > > wrote: > > JC> No, >>> ​ >>> MMI alleges that everything that can happen does happen, in a universe >>> with 4 spacial dimension Coulombs law would have a function of 1/ r^3 >>> ​, If str

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:20:36 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:21 AM, > > wrote: > > JC> No, > ​ > MMI alleges that everything that can happen does happen, in a universe > with 4 spacial dimension Coulombs law would have a function of 1/ r^3 > ​, If string theo

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Ah! it always comes down to cyber-money ;-) -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Dec 3, 2017 9:23 am Subject: Re: Quantum Supremacy Bitcoin, and digital money, will need quantum encryption. Some of them can be failed, but only in theory. Well, t

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 5:21:33 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:07:17 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 01 Dec 2017, at 00:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:16:07 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators and >> prey less successful. But in the sense of humans, who have technologica

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators and > prey less successful. But in the sense of humans, who have technologically > escaped most of the darwinian pressures, could this idea not improve life

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-03 Thread Jason Resch
There is post-quantum cryptography (algorithms that are believed to be secure against quantum computers with many qubits): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-quantum_cryptography This could serve as the basis for new TLS cipher suites, and would not require any revision to hardware of computers n

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi Telmo, Hi Jason, > > > > On 01 Dec 2017, at 06:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-03 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > Bitcoin, and digital money, will need quantum encryption. > ​ There are ​ ​ quantum encryption ​ ​ protocols that even a quantum computer couldn't break, they would be as secure as the laws of physics themselves, but unfortunately there

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, Hi Jason, On 01 Dec 2017, at 06:26, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > > wrote: >> >> >> >> If you have some time/patience, let

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:07:17 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Dec 2017, at 00:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:16:07 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:47:37 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Bitcoin, and digital money, will need quantum encryption. Some of them can > be failed, but only in theory. Well, the last time I readon on this, but > the filed is exploding. > > I guess that *classical* teleportation

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Bitcoin, and digital money, will need quantum encryption. Some of them can be failed, but only in theory. Well, the last time I readon on this, but the filed is exploding. I guess that *classical* teleportation will needs quantum encryption too, if you want avoid to be reconstituted by s

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Dec 2017, at 00:20, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:16:07 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:47:37 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 30/11/2017 10:59 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:42

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
In general a central charge of am abelian YM gauge field has a field rule ~ 1/r^{n-1} in n spatial dimensions. This is important with AdS_5 with 10 dim SUGRA if one has YM gauge monopoles in the spacetime. The 11-dim SUGRA with AdS_4xS^7 is likely more directly associated with the observable uni

Re: After 37 years, Voyager 1 has fired up its trajectory thrusters

2017-12-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
After 37 years it fires up. And you guys think that American stuff is crap (its all Chinese now). When it last fired, Jimmy Carter was US Prez. -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Dec 2, 2017 8:51 am Subject: After 37 years, Voyager 1 has fired up it