Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 5:47:09 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM > wrote: > > *> motion can't be done in finite steps* > > > It can if Spacetime is granular, > *It is unethical to truncate my comment in an attempt to win an argument. Of course motion can

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:15:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/1/2018 4:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/1/2018 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-11-01 Thread Pierz
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:40:39 PM UTC+11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 5:08:42 PM UTC, smitra wrote: >> >> On 14-10-2018 15:24, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> > In a two state system, such as a qubit, what forces the interpretation >> > that the syste

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/1/2018 4:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 11/1/2018 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/1/2018 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> *> infinite time Turing machines ar

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/1/2018 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: /> infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing machines/ That is true, i

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:11 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > How does *the arrow shot at a target *(in Zeno's Paradox) *compute* the >> truth of the forall-exists quantifier construct in the Caucy definition? >> > > I know

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:11 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > How does *the arrow shot at a target *(in Zeno's Paradox) *compute* the > truth of the forall-exists quantifier construct in the Caucy definition? > I know how calculus computes it, I don't know for a fact the arrow computes it the same way b

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:43 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> Even if spacetime is "continuous", what motion is in reality is not >> resolved by a Cauchy-type of (ε, δ)-definition of limit* >> > > Why not? > > John K Clark

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing >> machines* > > > That is true, it is also true that if dragons existed they would be >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:43 PM Philip Thrift wrote: *> Even if spacetime is "continuous", what motion is in reality is not > resolved by a Cauchy-type of (ε, δ)-definition of limit* > Why not? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everythi

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift wrote: *> infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing > machines* That is true, it is also true that if dragons existed they would be dangerous and if I had some cream I could have strawberries and cream, if I had some strawb

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:47:09 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM > wrote: > > *> motion can't be done in finite steps* > > > It can if Spacetime is granular, and even if it's not and Spacetime is > continuous motion is still possible and Calculus tells us

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:31:13 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:14 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > From https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~cristian/talks/selected/BeamerATM.pdf >> >> *> An accelerated Turing machine (sometimes called Zeno machine) is a >> Turing m

Re: Combinator 6 (Turing Universality, the Mu operator)

2018-11-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Oct 2018, at 13:47, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Bruno, > > Have you looked at various SKI interpreters around that could be used? > Several now (on GitHub) in JavaScript. Also in Haskell. And there's the > Unlambda system by David Madore. A long time ago, I have programmed in LISP a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM wrote: *> motion can't be done in finite steps* It can if Spacetime is granular, and even if it's not and Spacetime is continuous motion is still possible and Calculus tells us how. But Zeno can not tell us which of these explanations is correct and so joins the r

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:14 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >From https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~cristian/talks/selected/BeamerATM.pdf > > *> An accelerated Turing machine (sometimes called Zeno machine) is a > Turing machine that takes 2^−n units of time (say seconds) to perform its > nth step; we ass

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread Tomas Pales
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 2:09:41 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 3:38:55 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:16 PM wrote: >> >> >>What you described is a infinite number of FIXED length discrete steps, and if t

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 3:38:55 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:16 PM > > wrote: > > >>What you described is a infinite number of FIXED length discrete >>> steps, and if that is what motion is motion would indeed be impossible, but >>> its not the infinity t

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 3:38:55 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:16 PM > > wrote: > > >>What you described is a infinite number of FIXED length discrete >>> steps, and if that is what motion is motion would indeed be impossible, but >>> its not the infinity t