Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:19 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > > >> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> ever

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/5/201

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 5/5/2019 7:30 PM, Jas

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/5/2019 7:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:everythin

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 7:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/5/2019 5:57 PM

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 3:45 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 6:11 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > No doubt, and the cybernetic description of those animals corresponds > nicely to our intuitions about levels of consciousness. > > So on

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 7:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/5/2019 5:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:everything-list@go

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 7:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: That's part of my argument with Bruno concerning the environment.  He agrees that the simulation of one's brain would have to include

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 5:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/5/2019 3:49 PM, Jason

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > That's part of my argument with Bruno concerning the environment. He > agrees that the simulation of one's brain would have to include at least a > local part of the environment, but he sees th

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 5:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/5/2019 3:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: How do we know other humans are conscious (we don't, we can only suspect it). Why

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

That's part of my argument with Bruno concerning the environment. He agrees that the simulation of one's brain would have to include at least a local part of the environment, but he sees this as mere small expansion in the scope of the simulation which must also be computable.  Cleland seems to

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:40 PM wrote: *> The Church-Turing thesis is one of the most useless ideas ever invented.* > Well... Bill Gates assumed its true and that gave him confidence to drop out if Harvard and to put the small amount of money he had into starting his own small company, and 15 ye

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 3:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > How do we know other humans are conscious (we don't, we can only suspect > it). > > Why do we suspect other humans are conscious (due to their out

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 3:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: How do we know other humans are conscious (we don't, we can only suspect it). Why do we suspect other humans are conscious (due to their outwardly visible behaviors). Due to the Church-Turing thesis, we know an appropriately programmed computer can

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 6:40 PM wrote: > > I don't have answers to any of these questions, but I do know this: > > *The Church-Turing thesis is one of the most useless ideas ever invented.* > > > Is it? It's the reason you can install new apps on your smartphone without having to buy a new chip or

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I don't have answers to any of these questions, but I do know this: *The Church-Turing thesis is one of the most useless ideas ever invented.* Is the church-Turing thesis true? Carol E. Cleland https://philpapers.org/rec/CLEITC The Church-Turing thesis makes a bold claim about the theoretical

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

How do we know other humans are conscious (we don't, we can only suspect it). Why do we suspect other humans are conscious (due to their outwardly visible behaviors). Due to the Church-Turing thesis, we know an appropriately programmed computer can replicate any finitely describable behavior. Th

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/5/2019 2:06 PM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: I of course think that "consciousness arises from the function of matter in some configurations" (the conscious brain is nothing but the cells and chemicals operating inside the skull), but it's doing more than/information processing/. It's

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

I of course think that "consciousness arises from the function of matter in some configurations" (the conscious brain is nothing but the cells and chemicals operating inside the skull), but it's doing more than* information processing*. It's doing *experience processing*. People can deliberate

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

But your "protopsychical parts" seem to be nothing more than the potential to function in something conscious; which is the same as the physicalist theory that consciousness arises from the function of matter in some configurations. Except physicalism is more explicit; it distinguishes informat

Re: Smullyan paradox about belief

Thanks for the interesting reply.  This is the piece my friend was thinking of: https://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html Brent On 5/5/2019 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 2 May 2019, at 22:59, Brent Meeker wrote: You probably know book my friend

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 2:45:21 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > my cells, and "my" bacteria, are conscious at the level of biochemical > information processing. But that's not part of my inner narrative > consciousness. > > Brent > As I wrote previously: cells have some level of *elementar

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On 5/5/2019 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 May 2019, at 01:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/2/2019 8:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 May 2019, at 18:23, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/5/2019 6:11 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: No doubt, and the cybernetic description of those animals corresponds nicely to our intuitions about levels of consciousness. So one consequence of this way of looking at consciousness is that we can ascribe consciousness to things like corporations,

Re: for Cosmin

First, that's one-to-one and so inconsistent with almost everyone having the same range of qualia. Second, I don't have any memory of past lives, nor does anyone I know.  But they all report about the same range of qualia. Brent On 5/5/2019 1:15 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Re: "only certain kinds of matter can be conscious" and "all matter is conscious" I do think the first (human brains at least, and perhaps some non-human brains, from primates to down* the "food-chain"). Some think there was no fully or cognitively conscious (only a sensory conscious) human

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

> On 3 May 2019, at 01:08, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2019 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I guess you meant “clonable”; On the contrary, with mechanism matter is not >> clonable for all its aspect belonging below our substitution level, > It's merely your s

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

> On 3 May 2019, at 01:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2019 8:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 May 2019, at 18:23, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/1/2019 1:53 AM, Bruno

Smullyan paradox about belief

> On 2 May 2019, at 22:59, Brent Meeker wrote: > > You probably know book my friend [Max] is seeking. > > Brent > > > > "I recall encountering in one of Raymond Smullyan’s books a thought > experiment that convinced me that it is possible to be mistaken about what > one believes. That is, o

Re: for Cosmin

I love how you use scare quotes around the word "science" and constantly remind us that the brain doesn't exist, and you dismiss correlations between brain activity and subjective experience. But reincarnation and telepathy are just givens, to be accepted as real with no caveats whatsoever. On

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

You keep trotting out the term "cybernetic delusion" as if it's a problem. But it's just an assumption I make, that consciousness is identified with cybernetic dynamics. I'm exploring the consequences of that idea, which are compelling IMO. You or anyone else can feel free to adopt or not adopt th

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

No doubt, and the cybernetic description of those animals corresponds nicely to our intuitions about levels of consciousness. So one consequence of this way of looking at consciousness is that we can ascribe consciousness to things like corporations, cities, and cultures as a whole. Perhaps some w

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:15 PM 'Cosmin Visan' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > *> What happens in cases of telepathy is [...]. For example, in cases of >> dream telepathy [...] This clearly is a case of dream tele

Re: for Cosmin

Probably the same way memories from past lives are past on through reincarnation. On Sunday, 5 May 2019 08:23:33 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > What I wonder is how do these new qualia get passed on to his progeny, > since DNA doesn't exist. > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are su