Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:19 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >> This is essentially the point that both Turing and Goedel made when they >> pointed out that human consciousness is not Turing emulable -- it involves >> intuitive leaps that are not

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 4:25:59 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/5/2019 2:06 PM, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I of course think that "consciousness arises from the function of > matter in some configurations" (the conscious brain is nothing but the > cells and chemicals operating insid

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:55:37 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 6:40 PM > wrote: > >> >> I don't have answers to any of these questions, but I do know this: >> >> *The Church-Turing thesis is one of the most useless ideas ever invented.* >> >> >> > Is it? It's the reason y

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 2:44 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:19 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> This is essentially the point that both Turing and Goedel made when they >>> pointed out that human consciousness is not

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 12:59:20 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > This guy, Peter Wegner, that pt referred to indirectly. > http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~dgoldin/papers/strong-cct.pdf His point is > that human consciousness is an interactive program that receives arbitrary > and unknown inputs fr

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:25 AM wrote: > > > On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:55:37 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 6:40 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't have answers to any of these questions, but I do know this: >>> >>> *The Church-Turing thesis is one of the most useless ideas

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:14 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:25 AM wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:55:37 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 6:40 PM wrote: >>> I don't have answers to any of these questions, but I do know thi

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:25:50 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > No. Erasing data generates heat. So reversible computation is, in > principle, possible without hear generation. > > Brent > That is basically it. Landauer demonstrated that information loss results in lost energy, internal ener

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 11:25:59 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/5/2019 2:06 PM, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I of course think that "consciousness arises from the function of > matter in some configurations" (the conscious brain is nothing but the > cells and chemicals operating insi

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 2:19 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> This is essentially the point that both Turing and Goedel made when they > pointed out that human consciousness is not Turing emulable -- it involves > intuitive leaps that are not algorithmic, presumable coming from an > uncodable environmen

Re: for Cosmin

Of course they are givens. It is not my fault that you cherry-pick what to believe in, against all evidence. On Sunday, 5 May 2019 18:58:10 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > But reincarnation and telepathy are just givens, to be accepted as real > with no caveats whatsoever. > > -- You received

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Only because you subdue to irrationalism and refuse evidence, it doesn't mean that telepathy doesn't exist. First of all there are clear cases from personal experience. To reject them as "coincidences" is just to be a dogmatic believer in materialism. Second of all, even scientific experiments

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Relax! There is no "matter". "Matter" is just an idea in consciousness. So yeah, final verdict: "cybernatic hocus-bogus" is just a crackpot idea. On Sunday, 5 May 2019 16:25:26 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > You keep trotting out the term "cybernetic delusion" as if it's a problem. > But it's j

Re: Bernardo Kastrup: "Analytic Idealism: A consciousness-only ontology"

> On 3 May 2019, at 19:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > I once corresponded with Greg Stone > (https://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html > ), who > advanced a similar theory and

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

You'all must be living in a pretty beautiful world if you somehow managed to pass the age of 7 and still believe in Santa Claus. Wow! I really want your worldview! Must be pretty exciting to be a child all your life! On Monday, 6 May 2019 01:49:22 UTC+3, Jason wrote: > > Therefore a person with

Re: for Cosmin

Givens? You have proof of reincarnation and telepathy? This is news to me. Over a thousand people took James Randi's million dollar challenge but nobody got the money. Would love to see your evidence. On the other hand, quit

Re: for Cosmin

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> *> you cherry-pick what to believe in, against all evidence.* So says the man who doesn't believe that computers or brains or atoms or even calculations exist, but does believe that reincarnation and telepathy do

Re: for Cosmin

Sorry mate, your ignorance is not a substitute for lack of evidence. Here it is a cure for ignorance: http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm Regarding Randi, lol, haven't you already figured it out that he is a charlatan ? On Monday, 6 May 2019 18:36:32 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Given

Re: Bernardo Kastrup: "Analytic Idealism: A consciousness-only ontology) '

> On 3 May 2019, at 20:09, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> The current darkness comes from the separation of theology from science, >> making exact science inexact and human science inhuman. >> >> Religion is the only goal, >

Re: for Cosmin

I know a charlatan when I see one. They tend to make claims that can't be verified and resort to emotional arguments and other rhetorical tricks to influence people. To your credit, you did manage to finally come up with a prediction, which puts you on the same level as someone who accepted Randi'

Re: for Cosmin

Also, I brought up carbon monoxide poisoning a couple weeks ago, and you had nothing to say about creating qualia back then. I suspect you're just making it up as you go. On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:53 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > I know a charlatan when I see one. They tend to make claims that can't

Re: for Cosmin

And ? What about the evidence that I gave you ? You are just ignoring it ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googleg

Re: for Cosmin

There are suggestive studies. My mind is open to the possibility of paranormal phenomena. But it hasn't been proven beyond any reasonable standard of proof. It is certainly not a "given" that telepathy and reincarnation are real. Your turn. Is the theory of general relativity true? I know your an

Re: Bernardo Kastrup: "Analytic Idealism: A consciousness-only ontology"

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 10:35:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: With mechanism we don’t have a body, only relative “Gödel number”, ... > > Bruno > > > This always reminds me of The Prisoner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcaxlxgnvf0 @philipthrift -- You received this message becau

Re: Bernardo Kastrup: "Analytic Idealism: A consciousness-only ontology) '

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:47 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 May 2019, at 20:09, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/3/2019 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> The current darkness comes from the separation of theology from > scie

Re: for Cosmin

Of course GR is false since it is just a conceptual construct in consciousness that will continue to be replaced by other conceptual constructs along the centuries until a final theory will come up that will talk directly about red is red. That will be the end point because red will not be anym

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-5, PGC wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 11:25:59 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/5/2019 2:06 PM, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> I of course think that "consciousness arises from the function of >> matter in some configurations" (the co

Re: for Cosmin

You have at best an incomplete theory of how things work, if you don't know how qualia are generated. Which means, for starters, you can't stand behind the prediction you made. But more to the point, what are you even doing here? Maybe you should pivot into selling cars without engines, or houses

Re: for Cosmin

[image: image.png] On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 2:54 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > You have at best an incomplete theory of how things work, if you don't > know how qualia are generated. Which means, for starters, you can't stand > behind the prediction you made. But more to the point, what are you even >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/5/2019 11:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:19 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:59 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote: On 5/5/2019 10:30 PM, Jason Resch

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/6/2019 12:44 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jason Resch > wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:19 AM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: This is essentially the point that both Turing and Goedel made

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 3:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > 1. The world is rational. > 2. Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through > certain techniques). > *3. There are systematic methods for the solution o

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/5/2019

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/6/2019 2:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/5/2019 11:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:ev

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 5/6/2019 3:51 AM, PGC wrote: Now, if we could just formalize aesthetics: what makes a theorem interesting or sexy as fuck? We could train an ANN to have the same aesthetics as the NYT art critic.  :-) Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/6/2019 3:51 AM, PGC wrote: > > Now, if we could just formalize aesthetics: what makes a theorem > > interesting or sexy as fuck? > > We could train an ANN to have the same aesthetics as the NYT art > critic. :-) > > Brent

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I am not following where this point is going. Do you dispute the idea > that you could put a finite program in your friend'

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/6/2019 2:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/5/2019 1

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 6:04 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I am not following where this point is going. Do you dispute

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/6/2019 8:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/6/2019 2:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:ever

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/6/2019 8:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 6:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: for Cosmin

I don't even know what you think my theory is. Can you enlighten me ? What is my theory ? On Monday, 6 May 2019 21:54:13 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > I don't know how you can be so certain you're right when you don't even > know how your theory works. > > -- You received this message becaus

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:50 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/6/2019 8:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 6:04 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2