Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 6:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 11:06 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:22 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 10:15 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:22 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> Then I

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> On

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/6/2021 10:34 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:22 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Then I guess I don't understand this part: >>> >>> *Run it together

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 7/6/2021 10:34 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 7/6/2021 10:34 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> And you're never

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Then I guess I don't understand this part: >> >> *Run it together with Shors algorithm and have "each AI" read a definite >>

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 7/6/2021 6:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> On 7/5/2021 5:46 AM,

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 12:21 AM, smitra wrote: On 05-07-2021 12:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:39 PM smitra wrote: On 05-07-2021 09:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM smitra wrote: I don't think this is actually done in the experiment. What is observed is

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 6:29 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 7/6/2021 12:49 PM, smitra wrote: > > On 06-07-2021 19:34, Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> >

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:41 PM smitra wrote: > On 06-07-2021 14:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > > It is a shame that your fancy analysis is contradicted by the actual > > experimental results. I leave it as an exercise for you to determine > > where your mistake is. But I suggest that you

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

I make no demands of anyone regarding the idea a central mind or program, or origin. Neither do I condemn atheism. It is what works best for each person. If God assists great! If God gets in the way because it distracts, understandable.    -Original Message- From: John Clark To:

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 12:49 PM, smitra wrote: On 06-07-2021 19:34, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: And you're never going to find a being that behaves intelligently based on information that can be quantum erased. You need only a

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 10:34 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: And you're never going to find a being that behaves intelligently based on information that can be quantum erased. You need

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 06-07-2021 19:34, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: And you're never going to find a being that behaves intelligently based on information that can be quantum erased. You need only a quantum computer with enough qubits. Jason

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 1:22 PM wrote: > *> At an open AA meeting I once attended, some atheist-leaning recovering > alcoholics once joked that GOD meant Group Of Drunks. * > God is real, unless declared an integer. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 6:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 7/5/2021 5:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 8:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 8:49 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 8:26 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> So an intelligent and presumably consciousbeingonce existed that knew which slot all the electrons went through, but those interference bands

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > And you're never going to find a being that behaves intelligently based on > information that can be quantum erased. > You need only a quantum computer with enough qubits. Jason --

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 7/6/2021 3:55 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:10 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: >> It's easy to determine that the quantum computer is intelligent butas for consciousness, how did you determine

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

At an open AA meeting I once attended,  some atheist-leaning recovering alcoholics once joked that GOD meant Group Of Drunks.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2021 10:56 am Subject: Re: Why are laws of physics stable? On

Re: The best video yet about January 6

I don't see us disagreeing on the effects of the Citizens United ruling of 2010. It made things worse, if one doesn't like an oligarchy? This is also a reason to disdain a political system, where the "Rule of law," by John Adams, simply ends up being the Rule by Lawyers. We need a change but to

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 8:26 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> So an intelligent and presumably conscious being once existed that knew >> which slot all the electrons went through, but those interference bands >> still showed up anyway. Don't you find that a little strange? If Many >> Worlds is wrong

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 4:49 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> Many people continue to believe in the God “Matter”* Yeah, many people are like that, people such as yourself who long ago have given up on the idea of God because it is ridiculous but love the way the English word "G-O-D" sounds so much

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 8:26 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 8:56 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:10 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> It's easy to determine that the quantum computer is intelligent but

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:28:11 AM UTC+2 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 3 Jul 2021, at 14:13, Tomas Pales wrote: > Can't there be a machine that computes gravitational interaction with > gravitational constant 6.674 x 10 to the -11 up until some time t and then > continues the computation

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:12:49 AM UTC+2 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The physical laws are stable because they have an arithmetical origin in > the “head” of any universal+ machine (those which have the theology G*) > What do you mean by "head"? -- You received this message because you are

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 4:19 PM Tomas Pales wrote: > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 8:03:46 PM UTC+2 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> How can my consciousness be located in a place that I am not conscious of? >> > > You are conscious of certain parts of your brain (presumably those that > have high

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 7/5/2021 5:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 8:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> On 7/4/2021 5:05 PM,

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 06-07-2021 14:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 5:21 PM smitra wrote: On 05-07-2021 12:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:39 PM smitra wrote: arXiv:quant-ph/0412003v2 This is then what I said previously, what you denied, i.e. that you are only

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 8:56 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:10 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > >> It's easy to determine that the quantum computer is intelligent but as >>> for consciousness, how did you determine that it

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 5:21 PM smitra wrote: > On 05-07-2021 12:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:39 PM smitra wrote: > > > >>> arXiv:quant-ph/0412003v2 > >> > >> This is then what I said previously, what you denied, i.e. that you are > >> only considering part of the system

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:56 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Suppose there is an AI that behaves more intelligently than the most >> intelligent human who ever lived, however when the machine is opened up to >> see how this intelligence is actually achieved one consciousness theory >> doesn't like

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:10 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> It's easy to determine that the quantum computer is intelligent but as >> for consciousness, how did you determine that it was not conscious? For >> that matter how did you determine

Re: The best video yet about January 6

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 6:17 PM wrote: > * > I tell you the main threat to my or your personal safety are not > currently the goose-steppers, but instead, globalist corporations bribing > US pols.* > No, bribery is illegal and what those corporations did was not illegal. And why is it not

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 11:41, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 4:25:09 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > But there's no random selection involved unless you make it a postulate. > Otherwise it's just a collection. > > There is obviously a selection because I don't see all possible

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 11:33, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 4:22:51 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > So consciousness is just an epiphenomenon of brains or other quantum systems. > > I think consciousness is the brain, That makes no sense. With mechanism, the brain is just a

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 04:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > On 7/4/2021 6:33 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:50:48 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/4/2021 5:30 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> For example, A happens in 16 worlds and B in 9 worlds. Or in

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 04:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > On 7/4/2021 5:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:57:03 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: >> So you are this single magic soul that selects one world of many to really >> be in? >> >> I don't select

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 8:50 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > On 7/4/2021 5:30 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:54:45 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: >> It's

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 5 Jul 2021, at 02:58, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 8:39 PM Tomas Pales > wrote: > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 1:28:34 AM UTC+2 Jason wrote: > > Wei Dai, the founder of this list, proposed something quite similar, I think: > >

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 4 Jul 2021, at 22:29, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 3:36 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > >> I think I mentioned before that in David Deutsch's book "The Ghost In The > >> Atom" he proposed an experimental

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 4 Jul 2021, at 12:29, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 11:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > > Then do you suppose that the number of branches corresponds to the > > probability? > > > With a few

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 3 Jul 2021, at 14:13, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 1:55:59 PM UTC+2 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > With Mechanism the physical laws remains persistent because they are the same > for all universal machine, and they come from the unique statistics on all >

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 27 Jun 2021, at 11:49, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 3:53:18 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > Notice that they don't exist in the sense you mean. Newton's laws aren't > around anymore. > > By laws I mean regularities in nature. The apple still falls down and not up >

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

> On 27 Jun 2021, at 01:41, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 11:36:47 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > But presumably the laws are stable. Why? Because that's the way we want > them. If they weren't stable (or even time invariant) we wouldn't call them > laws of

Re: Why are laws of physics stable?

On 05-07-2021 12:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 7:39 PM smitra wrote: On 05-07-2021 09:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM smitra wrote: I don't think this is actually done in the experiment. What is observed is the presence or absence of the