Re: Re: a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas

2012-12-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King God isn't artificially inserted into L's metaphysics, it's a necessary part, because everything else (the monads) afre blind and passive. Just as necessary as the One is to Plato's metaphysics. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/5/2012 Forever is a long time

Fw: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitive science

2012-12-05 Thread Roger Clough
superseded by cognitive science, some important things have not even been assimilated by it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/5/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list

The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-05 Thread Roger Clough
to deal with this problem through a third party (the Supreme Monad), but the details are unspecified. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/5/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: Roger Clough

One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16 Subject: Re: Against

Why Peirce ? Peirce deals with change.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
evolution. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com

comp : theory vs actuality II

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
I accidentally sent the email below out too early. I see what you mean about the need for plum orchards etc in the brain. I was simply assuming that comp could do whatever is needed and didn't think through what I had said. Obviously an over-assumption. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb 1p is not a fiction. Your 1p is what is reading this page. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-02, 18:04

Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz. The supreme monad sees all clearly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/3/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver

comp : theory vs actuality

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
), not actual access (1p), so although it can calculate numbers, it cannot do anything there with those numbers. On the other hand, semiotics has at least a theoretical 1p since it has an interprant. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Re: Reason is, and ever ought to be, the slave of passion.

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
On passion vs reason, Romans 7:15 New International Version (NIV) 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Semantic truth I think is 1p (personal, private) truth, which mnakes it contingent, while logical truth is necessary as well as public or 3p truth. I think comnputers have problems with 1p truth because for one thing the coding is done by someone outside. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Climate change

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
, although that could have an effect, the violence has come on suddenly and some weird things have been happening to the ionosphere, like periodic fractures and openings, which might accout for the violence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near

Re: Re: The sad state of modern science

2012-12-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Amen. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/2/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-01, 19:42:59 Subject: Re: The sad state

Re: Re: the many faces of truth

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Fine. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-30, 14:46:16 Subject: Re: the many faces of truth On 11/30

Re: Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb My reaction is that nothing is perfect in this world anyway. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-30, 15

Re: Re: the many faces of truth

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
are, respectively, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God. God in the flesh, God in the world, and the transcendent God. The trinity is also displayed at Jesus' baptism by Jesus, a dove (holy spirit) landing on his shouder, and his father (God) speaking from Heaven. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1

Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Nino and La Ninja, which are unevenly distributed. I believe El Nino (which is associagted with warming and is now present) is the cause of north pole melting. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

The sad state of modern science

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
that this is another case, similar to that of the climate field, where scientists allowed politics to badly influence their judgement. All in all, not a good day for science and its reputation. Comments (8) Permalink [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near

iconic reasoning for semantic purposes

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
expressed in general terms, performs experiments upon this diagram, notes their results, and expresses them in general terms. This was a discovery of no little importance, showing as it does, that all knowledge comes from observation. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch What does physics (and multiple world theory) have to do with emulating human thinking ? Physics is deterministic, human thought is not. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
if there are studies that differentiate global warming/ CO2 as a correlation or is casual. Another one is whether Israeli attacks on Palestine are cause by Palestinian attacks on Israel or vice versa. A timeline study of attacks should show this. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever

Life is nonphysical

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
, but what makes the demon similar to life is his intelligence . So in my book, intelligence, if not life itswelf, is a sign of life. And unlike energy, intelligence is nonphysical. As is life. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody

the many faces of truth

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
more faces of truth. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-02, 18:07:35 Subject: Re: Communicability On 11/2

Re: Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Hintakka's concept of truth is what is called pragmatic truth, or scientific truth. It's the same as Peirce's-- namely, what results when you carry out a particular protocol. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

dreams and solipsism

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 08:00:10 Subject: Re: (mathematical) solipsism On 11/3/2012 5:39 AM

Leibniz's primitive as a time-portable semantic (semiotic)

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
that never belonged together in the first place. Correspondingly, the monad is one, simple and indivisible. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/12/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
of the thoughts in the form of symbols, signs or icons. This is what Peirce's semiotics is like. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012

Re: Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King No, we can grasp truth by correspondence. And a transcendent truth could be arithmetic truth or the truth of necessary logic. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/30/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

IMHO comp and the double aspect theory of the brain

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Clough
consciousness, just as a scientific probe or magnetic resonance imaging can. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/29/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-28, 11

Re: Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Clough
that or something related to happen. A container with a sufficient and complete set of contents (predicates) is called a monad. Similarly the monad cannot be within itself but must be in a higher category. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/29/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Interesting puzzle. Is heterological autological in nature or heterological ? It's heterological I think because autological and heterological are completely separate classes (By definition heterological cannot be autological). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11

Re: Re: intuitional logic and comp

2012-11-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps one can say that intuitionist logic is a personalized modal logic, while classic logic is impersonal necessary logic ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/28/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

Peirce, comp, the monads, and the tripartite brain

2012-11-28 Thread Roger Clough
monad= consciousness = ? reptilian brain = i of bdi agent [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/28/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group

On method. The applicability of comp and Leibniz to the fleshly brain

2012-11-27 Thread Roger Clough
on either side with comp and monadology. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/27/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-23, 11:54:57 Subject: Re: Nothing happens

Re: Re: intuitional logic and comp

2012-11-27 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Then since the brain is earth, shouldn't we use intuitionist logic ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/27/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list

intuitional logic and comp

2012-11-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno, Since intuitional logic seems to be a form of pure logic, inapplicable to the outside world, can or does comp implement intuitional logic ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/26/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Synchoronicity of mind, brain, and comp

2012-11-26 Thread Roger Clough
: mathematics (comp)- brain --- mind as monads Like three little ballerinas with joined hands dancing sychronously in line . [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/26/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno

Re: Re: no thanks, doctor

2012-11-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, I think I may understand the issue of consciousness. Comp is what the brain does in the flesh, then consciousness is a product of what the brain does . Comp is associated to the brain, but not to consciousness at least directly. Is that right ? [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal It is known that I think Hilbert and other great mathematicians thought at least initially in terms of images or pictures. That is more evidence in support of Lucas and Penrose. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/24/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-24 Thread Roger Clough
Bruno, I think that one contention of comp is that imagination plays no role in discovery. But what is covered has to be imagined at least in part to begin with. That argues against comp fairly strongly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/24/2012 Forever is a long time, especially

Re: Re: The Buridan's Ass or the What's next ? problem after teleportation

2012-11-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal If the body is reconstituted in Helsinki from a computer program, then we have a version of how I conceive that the Big Bang happened. An idea of the structure of the universe had to precede its creation. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/24/2012 Forever is a long

no thanks, doctor

2012-11-24 Thread Roger Clough
requires huge additional assumptions to be uised in my case for a transplant. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/24/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11

Helsinki

2012-11-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno, OK, suppose that comp works, but that it doesn't include consciousness. Then how does my consciousness get teleported to Helsinki ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/24/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because

imagination

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
not imagine these solutions, they become evident to you. 2) Maybe I misundertand you, but I especially don't see how the machine, has any advantage over the person with regard to 1p. As I see it, 1p is a blind spot, machine or person. Godel holds for both a person and a machine. [Roger Clough

Re: Re: isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
, so what do you do next ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-22, 10:09:27 Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established

Re: Re: isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
, so what do you do next ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-22, 10:09:27 Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established

The Buridan's Ass or the What's next ? problem after teleportation

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
what do you do next ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-22, 10:09:27 Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established

The Buridan's Ass or the What's next ? problem after teleportation

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
what do you do next ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-22, 10:09:27 Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established

Re: Re: imagination

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
to your discomfort, grasping at irrational straws. At least that's my experience. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012

Re: Re: isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Sorry, I never felt the need to connect MWI to human behavior. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time

Re: Re: Re: imagination

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I can't disagree. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-23, 10:40:39 Subject: Re: Re

Re: Re: The Buridan's Ass or the What's next ? problem after teleportation

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
with the ass as Does the flesh tell the computer program what to do or does the initiative come from the computer program ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal

who is in control , you or the computer ?

2012-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I blow hot and cold about comp because I am not really a theoretical thinker, I have to see how whatever works, and I' stuck on US(1) as I do not know who is in control: you or the computer ?. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/23/2012 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-22 Thread Roger Clough
of various people and various computer programs will vary. I don't see how they can all be the same. Meanwhile, I'll look at the counter-arguments to Lucas and Penrose. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/22/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence

2012-11-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Wouldn't there have to be a pre-established perfect correspondence between the mind of the human (or the state of the world) with the computer in order for comp to hold ? But that would require the computer to know the future. Hence comp is false. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
be part of 3p Which seems to be a equivalent to Godels's theorm. Or the observer can't be part of what is observed. Or more generally, the prover cannot be part of the proof. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
, that in any system (of monads ) there must be at least one supreme monad, whose subject or identity or soul cannot be part of anything below it, because it is supreme. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
, jacob and jeremy. Then the list itself cannot be a sibling. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-20, 12:31:38 Subject

Re: Re: Re: Two possible ways of creating actual objects out of nothing

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Sorry, my mistake, I remembered wrong. It was somebody else. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time

How Leibniz solved the self-reference problem. Each monad is essentially blind.

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
of reality (there are no windows), there is no 1p, everything is indirect or 3p. He thus avoids the problem of 1p of another 1p. The supreme monad is the only monad that can see, directly (has 1p), and it can see all clearly and instantly update each monad's perceptions [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Comp, Chance and Necessity, the large and the small

2012-11-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg God's preference ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-19, 16:35:56 Subject: Re: Comp

Re: Re: Two possible ways of creating actual objects out of nothing

2012-11-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish I did land on your website or look up your book. You do have some radical assumptions, one of them puzzling to me-- that time is an external variable. External to what ? mind ? the physical world ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/20/2012 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Sorry, where are the steps of UD ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-19, 09:33:19 Subject

optic nerve signals

2012-11-20 Thread Roger Clough
of about 20 ms giving a frequency 1/0.020 = 50 Hz. A computer could do that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I thought that comp is exactly opposite to what you say, that computationalism is the belief that we can simulate the mind with a computer program-- that the mind is computable. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Comp, Chance and Necessity, the large and the small

2012-11-19 Thread Roger Clough
would order the Isreaelites to kill an entire family. men women and children. Or in the Flood, kill everybody in the world except Noah and his family. And he let the rain fall on the good as well as the evil. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/19/2012 Forever is a long time

CORRECTIOB: Who am I ? The one or the many ?

2012-11-19 Thread Roger Clough
that, by being coherent, unifies my experieces so that they seem to occur as if happening to me. The coherent field makes the many into one. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you

Leibniz's definition(s) of substance

2012-11-18 Thread Roger Clough
will be as follows: Chaptcrs II.-V. will discuss the consequences of the first four of the above premisses, and will show that they lead to the whole, or nearly the whole, of the necessary propositions of the system. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/18/2012 Forever is a long time, especially

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of theintelligenceofcomputers

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg But not ONE field. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-16, 15:57:06 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re

Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
wrote a whole book or a lot at least on that issue without coming up with a sensible solution other than to say that it just happens that there is no infinite regress because there cannot be one. It's similar to Aristotle's First Cause doctine. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012

In the beginning was the Fourier transform

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
fashion of those events, and that is what Heaven will be like. Bohm had a related idea (the Implicate/Explicate worlds). If there was a beginning, then the transform(s) would be one-sided. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody

Re: Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Intelligence is nothing. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-16, 19:10:02 Subject: Re

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King OK if you're satisfied with a vague feeling of agreement among multiple observers. That of course would cause you to see fuzzy or incomplete objects. The Turing Test was suggested to try to wake you up. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
, the actual object always was, as it is itself a monad, and they can be neither created nor destroyed. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver

Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence ofcomputers

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
sort. Nature is alive, and life is intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-15, 13:53:48 Subject: Re

Re: Re: Monads and the Diophantine equantions.

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Monads are as you say, but only potentially. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-15, 13:07

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
created out of the nonphysical, which I take to be intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-15, 15:55

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King How is the agreement of many minds known if they are all solipsists ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything

Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Mind has no properties other than being nonphysical, so no problem. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen, Hogan appears to be a total skeptic. What can I say ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-15, 10:45

Re: Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligenceofcomputers

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
(then a substance) together in some way, like life. Or an electromagnetic, biological, or chemical field. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King But how could one know if the others are telling the truth ? The surest test could only be a Turing Test. Plus I have another difficulty with solipsim. If perception must proceed existence, then one could never be stabbed in the back. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

I'm back, thanks to Windows 7

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
a backup. But now it's all fixed and I don't seem to have lost anything. Roger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
damage. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-12, 10:56:40 Subject: Re: the God hypothesis On 12 Nov 2012, at 15

Re: Re: I am a realist rather than a nominalist because universal gravityexists.

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Yes, Berkeley's solopsism is impossible to disprove, so your theory that perception causes existence holds. But, forgive me, how do you know that there are other people to report your findings to ? We could all be chimeras. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012

Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence of computers

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
and Jung. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-12, 09:54:53 Subject: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding

Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 12 tone music can be refreshing for a while but I soon get bored. On the other hand, Stravinksy and many others can do exciting things with dissonance. The Firebird Suite and the Rites of Spring enhance this marvellously with dance. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That's just my point. You can't have quantum gravity unless it emerged from mind ior universal intelligence. Where there's smoke, there's fire. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist and Bruno, There is (infinite) regress in physical nature, but not in mind, because mind is non-existent (not created). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: Re: the God hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Call it what you want, but anything existent exists according to some pre-existing physical rules etc. Some Cosmic intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Perhaps strings might better model materials and their behavior than current chemistry and materials science can. And suggest the possibioity of creating new materials (composistes) as well as explaining little understood materials phenomena. [Roger Clough], [rclo

In the beginning were the numbers

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King and Bruno, Perhaps these problems below fade away if you think of numbers in this way: In the beginning were the numbers and the numbers were with Mind and the numbers were Mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near

The fundamental primitive

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 09:17:02 Subject: Re: The two types of truth On 11/3/2012 7:45 AM, Roger

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King But many minds are in agreement that God exists, so that must be true ? And must unicorns exist because I believe that they do ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Infinity is not communicable. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 12:33:49 Subject

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King He's got his work cut out for him, not so much as casting doubt on other's theories, but in explaining all of the data obtained with alternate theorie. In which case, the Big Bang simply happened another way than that taught. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15

Re: Re: Re: Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
ROGER: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:55:03AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish No, rational beings have to decide which truths they need to apply to what and how to apply them. These are all relational acts, which require choice, hence intelligence. RUSS: I will insist

How wonderful greed is

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
in that case. Wall Street is not a welfare program, IT IS DRIVEN BY GREED. And conversely, selling stocks is based on fear that the stock is going to go down. So no rational or logical program will ever be a good stock customer. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 Forever is a long time

Re: Re: Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Consciousness and intelligence, not just consciousness. A cave man had to determine if a twig lying on the ground is a snake or a twig. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving

Re: Re: Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Reason is what allows us to exist in the face of desire and danger. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything

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