Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 15 Oct 2014, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at the origin of the physical universe, >> Then if modern cosmologists are even close to be

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

hers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at the origin of the physical universe, Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God i

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 14 Oct 2014, at 17:15, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the awful suffering you have accurately, cited? Marx said that religion is an opiate for the people, so what do you offer as a pain reliever? Aspirin

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Sounds like doublethink to mewhich was of course a virtue and a necessity if you lived on Airstrip One. On 16 October 2014 18:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:28 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> I works with "house" and "Brent" too. What's curious is that faili

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:28 AM, meekerdb wrote: > > I works with "house" and "Brent" too. What's curious is that failing to > believe in anything implies that you do believe in it. I suppose it goes > along with the spirit of "everything". If I can think of it clearly enough > to fail to beli

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 10/15/2014 7:25 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence of >> Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "San

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

I don't believe that's what Bruno means (which if I'm wrong means I DO believe that's what he means.[image: Inline images 1]..) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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Is this a fair comment, Bruno? On 16 October 2014 15:00, meekerdb wrote: > Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence of > Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "Santa Claus" refers to > and therefore you do believe in Santa Claus. A curious inference for a >

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 10/15/2014 7:25 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, meekerdb > wrote: Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence of Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "Santa Claus" refers to and the

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, meekerdb wrote: > Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence of > Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "Santa Claus" refers to > and therefore you do believe in Santa Claus. A curious inference for a > logician. > That's just

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence of Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "Santa Claus" refers to and therefore you do believe in Santa Claus. A curious inference for a logician. Brent On 10/15/2014 6:29 PM, LizR wrote: I think I can see what he m

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

I think I can see what he means, whether or not you agree with him. On 16 October 2014 12:29, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > >The stupidity prize you made up is clearly yours to claim, >> > > Oh I've said plenty of stupid thinks in my time, but I

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >The stupidity prize you made up is clearly yours to claim, > Oh I've said plenty of stupid thinks in my time, but I don't think I can compete with Bruno's "Atheism, as I know it, is a slight variant of christianism". John K Clark -- You

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > > For example, say you state after some mystical experience, that you met > a god that told you to write down his message. If your god insists in the > text that "he/she/it is infallible", in the literal sense of th

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t with some special interpretation. He mostly uses it in the common sense of "rational study of concept of god/nature of truth", which btw is implied by the word "Theology" and its etymology itself. > I got the notion that he sorts under such name the ideas of a 'sta

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I read Bruno's ID about* theology* some times - never really comprehended it. I got the notion that he sorts under such name the ideas of a 'startup of the World' no matter on what theory. About the "GOD" concept did *ANYBODY EVER *communicated about it on a basis

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

niverse. BB's included. (Gotts article on ARXIV "I'd Rather See One Than Be One."). -Original Message- From: Stephen Paul King To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 11:30 am Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God any

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:56 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > > > which again confirm my point (you know the one which trigger your >> bot-like answer). >> > > If you don't like my bot-like answer then stop making the exact same > bot-like accusation; I give the stupidity prize to "Atheism, as I know

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at >>> the origin of the physical universe, >>> >> > >> Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God

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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >your dislike of religions hides a defense of a religion. > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. John K Clark -- You received this message be

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he > intellects here. > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: everything-list > Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 7:30 pm > Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God > anymore? > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Brun

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53 PM, Stephen Paul King > wrote: > >> Hi Brent, >> >>I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists >> something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are >> some kind of "divine intervention" that saved

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 15 Oct 2014, at 01:30, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at the origin of the physical universe, Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God

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On 14 Oct 2014, at 03:00, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > John has never had a decent reply to the proposition, that by entertaining negation of Christian dogma, he is in fact enforcing it. Wow, calling a guy known for di

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Aha! Now what of Boltzmann Brains and how this topic is undervalued by the intellects here. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Tue

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Hi Stephen, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Hi Brent, > >I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists > something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are > some kind of "divine intervention

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

well, following their culture's traditions: many people wrong in consensus does not make them right. Particularly about nature of some supreme principle/god... or what some say was written by such. > This practice has been going on across the globe for several centuries. > If you were t

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t. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting >>>>> > together thereof and the reading thereof.And when We read it, >>>>> > follow thou the reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation >>>>> > thereof. >>>> >>>

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

​Hi John, Yo wrote: "God isn't even very smart, in fact God is as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs."​ Indeed, your existence is proof of this claim! Try harder not to project the consequences of being finite and human onto something that you will never understand. Too be su

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at > the origin of the physical universe, > Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God is not omniscient, God isn't even very sm

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 Bruno Marchal wrote: > By insisting that God does not exist, you insist that the > Christians/Muslims/Jews have the correct notion of God. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Hi Brent, I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are some kind of "divine intervention" that saved my life. Could there be an explanation that is completely secular? I am open to

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ow about 2:176 "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” . READ: God obeys to truth if God is some maw in reality, God already = Truth). Then it just say that liar and wrong people are in trouble. or 2:190–93 “Slay them wherever you

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ith to hasten it. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together thereof and the reading thereof. And when We read it, follow thou the reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 "God has revealed the Book with t

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believers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in a constant state of war until the last unbeliever has been converted or murdered. > Incorrect. God and his angels will put terror in the hearts. Then God isn't doing a very good job, I guess He needs rein

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logic, or dogma instead of hypotheses. By insisting that God does not exist, you insist that the Christians/ Muslims/Jews have the correct notion of God. You kill all competitors possible, and you abstract out all nuances brought by different movements, even among the jews/christians

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Very Good. Thanks Mitch -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > John,

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the > awful suffering you have accurately, cited? That's asking a awful lot of me, I don't have a solution t

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 11:01 am Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Are you at war with Islam? No, I'm not at war with anyone. > Wh

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the awful suffering you have accurately, cited? Marx said that religion is an opiate for the people, so what do you offer as a pain reliever? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Are you at war with Islam? > No, I'm not at war with anyone. > Why should God put terror in your heart? > Because God is obviously a sadist and gets off on bondage. Why else would God spend a infinite number

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

t; >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>&g

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 14-Oct-2014, at 12:51 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is there something like an internet publicity chapter in the Qu'ran (I > assume there must be some things related to men of fame who value

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

I think it's a fools' task to try to speak for God. Unless, one has an unassailable truth behind them, one that is testable, in the falsifiable sense of the phrase. So far, one can believe in the rightness of religious texts but its a matter of subjective analysis. Try admitting tha

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 10/13/2014 9:26 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> I imagine most philosophers don't think

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wisdom on the >>> list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it >>> occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it >>> was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, >>> giving you

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ipate in the sequence about your wisdom on the >>>>>> list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did >>>>>> it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested >>>>>> tha it was your Mumm

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in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, giving you the overtone of your

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you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, giving you the overtone of your thinking. Later on you may have expanded into the

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ests you. I can critically try to understand the Quran, looking up meanings and science research on the topic, but I cannot take the falsifiable approach simply because I'm convinced that the Arabic text of the Quran is from God, the Master-Creator, while scientific knowledge is what

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias wrote: > > >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >>> unbelievers" a

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> On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias wrote: > >>> >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >>> >> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then

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On 10/13/2014 9:26 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good

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On 14 October 2014 15:54, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Holy Quran 109:6 > -- > لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ > > For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." > So even God failed to predict the existence of Atheists! (Oh well, it's not li

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ght find those Quran quotations >>> interesting. Is that what you're saying? >> Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. > > But this implies "In war, be bestial". I'm not sure this is part of what some > supreme being would say

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > John has never had a decent reply to the proposition, that by > entertaining negation of Christian dogma, he is in fact enforcing it. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one b

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Similarly if you insist that the God you are opposed to is what Brent calls the Abrahamic one, rather than all the 1000s of others, not to mention such unmentionables as the Tao. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To u

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te: > > >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >>> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in >>> a constant state of war until the last unbeliever has been converted or >>> murdered.

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias wrote: >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in >> a constant state of war until the last unbeliever has b

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:56 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > You confirm all the time the theory that atheists are the best defenders >> of the christians dogma. >> > > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard > t

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > If you were a Muslim you would not doubt the wisdom and knowledge of the > author of the Quran. Rather, you would try to understand why is it so. > And if cows had wings, they could open their own airline. The above is not an argument.

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ight find those Quran quotations > interesting. Is that what you're saying? > > Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. > But this implies "In war, be bestial". I'm not sure this is part of what some supreme being would say. > The exam

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when We read it, follow >>>> > thou the reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. >>> >>> As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 >>> >>> "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree abou

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9 Stir not thy tongue >>> > herewith to hasten it. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together >>> > thereof and the reading thereof.And when We read it, follow thou the >>> > reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. >> >

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > You confirm all the time the theory that atheists are the best defenders > of the christians dogma. > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. Joh

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: > >> I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a >> very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God >> come from?"

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e read it, follow thou the reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism" . READ: God obeys to truth if God is som

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because you don't believe yourself. Only a minority of strong atheists believe that God means the christian god, and that theology means what the Roman Empire have coerced to make us believe. unconventional meanings of the word "theology"? I can give you many references

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On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God come from?" so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultim

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I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God come from?" so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultimate (or original) causes. -- You rece

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> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in a > constant state of war until the last unbeliever has been converted or > murdered. Incorrect. God and his angels will put terror in the hearts. Muslims are not asked to do that. According to th

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On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Samiya Illias wrote > Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. > If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in a c

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Is that what you're saying? > Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. The examples you cite above are misapplications of the verses. However that's another debate. Admitting the existence of God and obeying him with faith and gratitude on a personal

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n lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. >>> >> >> As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 >> >> "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are >> in extreme schism” . >> >> or 2:190–93 >> >

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>> >>> >>> On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: >>> >>> Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the >>> list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it >>> occur that you fir

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gt; As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 > > "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in > extreme schism” . > > or 2:190–93 > > “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which > they drove you. Id

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lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof. > As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176 "God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” . or 2:190–93 “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which th

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ticipate in the sequence about your wisdom on the >> list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it >> occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it >> was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, >

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HOW did it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, giving you the overtone of your thinking. Later on you may have expanded into the wisdom your father was studting.) I am not a Bible

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to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it > occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it > was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, > giving you the overtone of your thinking. Later on you may have expanded > into the wisdom y

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ive. I sent that link just as an example. > If you find the approach not critical enough, perhaps you can do it in a > more scientific manner, if it interests you. > I can critically try to understand the Quran, looking up meanings and > science research on the topic, but I cannot t

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throw the word back in the face of people known for disliking theology. And why does Bruno insist on radically re-engineering the meaning of the word "God"? Because he likes to make the "God" noise with his mouth. Here is a little test, if you re-engineer the meaning of the word X in

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On 10 Oct 2014, at 12:52, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets your 'demonstrating factual accuracy in this sense here

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of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, giving you the overtone of your thinking. Later on you may have expanded into the wisdom your father was studting.) I tried to answer, to which you've referred to above. Beyond that, e

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, but I cannot take the falsifiable approach simply because I'm convinced that the Arabic text of the Quran is from God, the Master-Creator, while scientific knowledge is what we are discovering. So, for me personally, the scripture takes precedence. This is problematic. You leave the

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rst thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it > was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, > giving you the overtone of your thinking. Later on you may have expanded > into the wisdom your father was studting.) I am not a Bible-scholar, > consider the

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On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets y

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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > nobody knows anything about God, > Including if He exists. > nor can we observe God. > Rather like Santa Claus. > However, the observable universe/multiverse/creation seems to be > purpose-built > If the multiverse

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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets your >> 'demonstrating >> factual accuracy in this sense here, of course.':

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> On 10-Oct-2014, at 3:21 am, John Mikes wrote: > > Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, > because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it occur > that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested

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Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HOW did it occur that you first thought of the existence of God? (I suggested tha it was your Mummy and at your age as a baby when you were taught to pray, giving

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > So, for me personally, the scripture takes precedence. > Samiya > Thank you for being honest. Maybe you might note this on your blog as an introduction to save peoples' time in their personal searches: I thought you were trying to show that

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

u're happy with the idea of God not being created for a purpose, then why insist that the universe is created for a purpose, and why insist that humans are created for a purpose rather than (as presumably is the case with God) inventing their own purpose? --Stathis Papaioa

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

king up meanings and science research on the topic, but I cannot take the falsifiable approach simply because I'm convinced that the Arabic text of the Quran is from God, the Master-Creator, while scientific knowledge is what we are discovering. So, for me personally, the scripture takes

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets your > 'demonstrating > factual accuracy in this sense here, of course.': > > http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html?m=1 > > You

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 09 Oct 2014, at 05:35, Samiya Illias wrote: What is your position on teleology? Do you think that there is a cause or purpose for everything? There is a purpose to things relatively to other things and/or the everything. It might be like a god playing hide and seek with itself. The

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014, Samiya Illias >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> What is your position on teleology? Do you think that there is a cause >>>>>> or purpose for everything? >>>>>> Also, what do you think of this: >>

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

ed in the question of whether God exists. The interesting thing about it, for this list, is that "God" is implicitly the god of theism, and is not "one's reason for existence" or "the unprovable truths of arithmetic". How do you know that? How could you

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