Re: It's really all math

2013-12-22 Thread LizR
This is an ancient story that I would be embarrassed for anyone to read and intend to leave where it is. However I could send you my latest one, although it is unfinished... mind you so was that one. I seem to have a problem with finishing... On 23 December 2013 01:53, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Liz, Hi Richard, On 21 Dec 2013, at 20:43, LizR wrote: On 21 December 2013 23:23, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Dec 2013, at 10:22, LizR wrote: On 21 December 2013 22:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:48, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contai

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread LizR
Also, part of the joke is the hubris / chutzpah of the interviewee, who is attempting to parlay a degree (or whatever it is) in comparative literature into a job at CERN (or wherever it is). On 22 December 2013 08:55, LizR wrote: > On 22 December 2013 04:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread LizR
On 22 December 2013 04:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:24:55 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> The unexpected surprise is the jump up the "reductionist food chain" in >> the last frame. >> > > Right, but its only surprising because there is something that we expect > t

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread LizR
Oops sorry you weren't replying to me. I should have read the complete thread before I answered. :-( On 22 December 2013 08:43, LizR wrote: > On 21 December 2013 23:23, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 21 Dec 2013, at 10:22, LizR wrote: >> >> On 21 December 2013 22:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread LizR
On 21 December 2013 23:23, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 21 Dec 2013, at 10:22, LizR wrote: > > On 21 December 2013 22:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:48, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a >> bit like a black h

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, December 20, 2013 5:26:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 02:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it > funny? Is math surprised that its math? > > > It is of course only surprising for those deluded (as

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:24:55 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > The unexpected surprise is the jump up the "reductionist food chain" in > the last frame. > Right, but its only surprising because there is something that we expect to be irreducible which is being reduced. > > > On 20 Decemb

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread John Mikes
Richard: *".Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a bit like a black hole could be a door to another universe" - and:* *"...What surprises me is that apparently comp predicts a single multiverse rather than than multiple multiverses..."* feeling free to fantasize -

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikodem_Pop%C5%82awski http://www.newhaven.edu/Faculty-Staff-Profiles/Nikodem-Poplawski/ 1. arXiv:1310.8014 [pdf , ps , other ] Schwinge

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Dec 2013, at 10:22, LizR wrote: On 21 December 2013 22:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:48, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a bit like a black hole could be a door to another universe. Richard: I like that ide

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hello Stephen, Does there really need to be a single level of the UD? ? What is the UD is intersecting with itself an infinite number of times? The UD emulates itself infinitely often, with all codes, that is: relatively to all universal numbers. Is there a relationship. may

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread LizR
On 21 December 2013 22:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:48, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a bit > like a black hole could be a door to another universe. > > Richard: I like that idea because Smolin hypothized and P

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:48, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a bit like a black hole could be a door to another universe. Richard: I like that idea because Smolin hypothized and Poplawski confirmed using GR + spin that black holes yie

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Does there really need to be a single level of the UD? What is the UD is intersecting with itself an infinite number of times? Is there a relationship. maybe an isomorphism, between the UD and the set of Godel numbers of the UD? After all, there does not exist a unique universal G

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno: In that case a multiverse could contain another multiverse, a bit like a black hole could be a door to another universe. Richard: I like that idea because Smolin hypothized and Poplawski confirmed using GR + spin that black holes yield at least an internal universe. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Richard, On 20 Dec 2013, at 12:40, Richard Ruquist wrote: What surprises me is that apparently comp predicts a single multiverse rather than than multiple multiverses. Interesting problem. Comp predicts only a single multi-dreams, which is the "universal" computation made by the UD, or t

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
What surprises me is that apparently comp predicts a single multiverse rather than than multiple multiverses. Richard On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 02:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes i

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Dec 2013, at 02:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it funny? Is math surprised that its math? It is of course only surprising for those deluded (assuming comp) into thinking that there is some primitive non mathematical reality

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-19 Thread LizR
The unexpected surprise is the jump up the "reductionist food chain" in the last frame. On 20 December 2013 14:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: > If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it > funny? Is math surprised that its math? > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:07:47

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it funny? Is math surprised that its math? On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:07:47 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > http://abstrusegoose.com/544 > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-18 Thread LizR
That looks familiar. Have you posted it before? (Or maybe I just saw a cartoon like it once...) Because when you consider it, there are really only a few jokes, and some can be considered as basically just elaborations of simpler ones. ...skipping to the end, Jerry whacks Tom with a frying pan a

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
That's a good one. Thanks for sharing it. :-) Jason On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb wrote: > http://abstrusegoose.com/544 > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop

It's really all math

2013-12-17 Thread meekerdb
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