Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Feb 2013, at 01:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up thru quantum mechanics. Only 4

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:50:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2013, at 01:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:50:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2013, at 01:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 09:37:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up thru

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
mind (whatever that is). etc. as I frequently but ineffectively try to correct. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 09:37:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Dear Roger, Only 4d

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
it). 2013/2/2 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi Alberto G. Corona Does your version of mind actually do anything ? - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 04:43:54 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe I do

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 14:14:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe In the world of the mind, that is, in what we call reality, it causes everithing because causality is another phenomenon introduced by the mind (1p

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
-02-03, 07:19:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Roger, I think the block universe (not quite accurate terminology) is actually the 4-dimensional quantum mind and in it is written all possible futures and pasts based on comp and quantum mechanics as well as info on what

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 07:19:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Roger, I think the block universe (not quite accurate terminology) is actually the 4-dimensional quantum mind

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up thru quantum mechanics. Only 4 dimensions for example of the 11d universe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
of mind. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-02-02, 14:14:51 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe In the world of the mind, that is, in what

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Straw dog there is no mention of a separation On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi 2013/1/30 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com It is to me. I think it is very unlikely that the motions and evolutions of star and galaxies and in my model even universes could be strongly affected by biological consciousness But then, what is the anthropic principle about? --

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Does your version of mind actually do anything ? - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 04:43:54 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe I do think that a block universe can contain minds

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
to the understanding of QM. Brent Lessons from the Block Universe Ken Wharton Department of Physics and Astronomy San Jos State University http://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Wharton_Wharton_Essay.pdf?phpMyAdmin=0c371ccdae9b5ff3071bae814fb4f9e9 In Liouville

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2013/1/30 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com It is to me. I think it is very unlikely that the motions and evolutions of star and galaxies and in my model even universes could be strongly affected by biological

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
DonĀ“t limit yourself to the math of string theory . there may be argued that any mathematical figure exist, including the ones with no interesting structure or simetry of constants including ranndom structures, that is with a high kolmogorov complexity. That means that everithing may exist . Not

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
That everything possible may have mathematical existence is my fundamental hypothesis. How much of this everything that can possibly become physically existent depends on the definition of physical which in turn depends on theory. MWI theory predicts a near infinity of possibilities within a

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
logical) equations. Bruno - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 12:45:53 Subject: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe On 29 Jan 2013, at 15:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2013-01-30, 12:45:53 Subject: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe On 29 Jan 2013, at 15:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. With comp consciousness does not allow any (aristotelian) universes. There is comp block mindscape, and the universe(s

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:03:04 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:03:04 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Consciousness is not a force that might do things. It is what allows us to perceive and know things. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-29, 20:39:40 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:13:19 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:03:04 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
, 2013 at 11:18 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent Lessons from

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30,

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent Lessons from the Block Universe Ken

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent Lessons from the Block Universe Ken Wharton

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to have anything like something that is it is like to be conscious of

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/29/2013 4:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to have anything like

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. The fact the we all possess consciousness, so we think, means that our universe is not

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A block universe does not allow for

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stat...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com

Fwd: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent *Lessons from the Block Universe* * *Ken Wharton