Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That sounds fine, except the BEC is not something specific, it is not a mind or brain, it is matter. I imagine that it condenses in some container held near 0oC. That condensate could be considered to be a monad or substance. And it could of course be conscious in some

Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively outside spacetime. Richard On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
-16, 08:59:49 Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively outside spacetime. Richard

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 08:59:49 Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 08:59:49 Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 08:59:49 Subject: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have properties

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 09:21:38 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism I

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 09:21:38 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism I think its more like applying BEC to Leibniz's monads On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Your presumptions are incorrect. Also your monad definition. I am too old for bare naked. Stop being silly. Richard On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, of course. The monads

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively outside spacetime. Richard On Wed, Jan

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2013-01-16, 09:16:17 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism I don't really see much of a difference whether we talk about BECs, strings, charged geometries, vacuum flux, aether, numbers, or any other spatially structured medium. Who cares? The question is how does that begin to know

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:25:51 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Craig, The monads themselves are sensitive, How? Why? They get information from every other monad in the universe. by direct 1/r mapping, a sorta

Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:46:03 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:25:51 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Craig, The monads themselves are sensitive, How?