Roger, Any kind of particle from photons and light up to molecules can form a BEC. BEC is a mathematical object and not confined to any one substance. Even physical BECs have properties that are effectively outside spacetime. Richard
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > That sounds fine, except the BEC is not something specific, it is > not a mind or brain, it is matter. I imagine that it condenses in > some container held near 0oC. That condensate could be > considered to be a monad or substance. And it could of course > be conscious in some way, but it has nothing to do with being human. > It is not even a brain in a vat. > > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-16, 07:47:52 > Subject: Fwd: the curse of materialism > > > Roger, > I liked your "1p think therefore 1p am" > > But your statement below, although correct , is much too vague. > > Quantum mechanics is not understood because it is not complete. > Feynman came close to completing it but still missed an essential property. > > That property is that the quantum mind has instant action. > Something you have been preaching for some time. > With instant action, the quantum mind can be understood. > > Instant action derives directly from your claim that > the quantum mind from monads to quantum fields > are out side of spacetime. > > I just add that it is effectively out of spacetime > because the quantum mind is a > Bose-Einstein Condensate BEC. > which allows the monads to be distributed thru-out the universe yet > act as though they were out of spacetime. > Richard > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Roger Clough > Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM > Subject: the curse of materialism > To: everything-list > > > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net > > You want to know why nobody understands QM ? > Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. > This might be called the curse of materialism. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: socra...@bezeqint.net > Receiver: Everything List > Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 > Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. > > > Physics and Metaphysics. > > John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne > === . > > John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? > the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that > nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? > Why? > Because, he wrote: > ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. > We shall see in what follows that important interpretative > issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their > eventual settlement not only physical insight but also > metaphysical decision ?. > / preface/ > ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, > and these are the subject of continuing dispute? > / page 40/ > ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, > it is that the world is full of surprises? > / page 87 / > ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take > very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory > include: . . . .? > / page 88 / > ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? > / page92 / > ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and > instructive phenomenon, . .? > / page 92 / > ==. > In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing > what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: > ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only > physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. > / preface / > And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge > on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. > === . > Somebody wrote: > The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. > I agree. > ===========. > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik Socratus. > ===. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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