earn
otherwise.
-Original Message-From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:47
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
And
as one who has worked with Exchange for 7 years for various sized companies
and did
them
frightened.
-Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:08
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Bravo! Great story!
And you did the censors good so they would pass the mighty
f
Title: Message
Bravo! Great story! And you did the
censors good so they would pass the mighty filter
-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:56
AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with
Backup Exec
: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Me
too
-Original Message-From: William
Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May
06, 2002 3:40 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject:
RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
*sniff*
A
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Sounds right to me...with the exception of a few
accidental email deletions, people should know that when Outlook says
"Permanent" that they should expect it to be permanent. I have run into
severa
Title: Message
Me
too
-Original Message-From: William
Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06,
2002 3:40 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
*sniff*
A
wonderful story.
I'm
Title: Message
I love
it
-Original Message-From: Preston Jeffares
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:33
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
True
story:
I
was working for the corporate offices
al Message-From: Jay Ploughe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:24
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
I
have been watching this thread seeing the all the "Avoid BLBrestore the IS
and do Exmerge" comments w
n IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Hopefully the products will just get better all the way around, with
restoration part of the design.
-Original Message-From: William Lefkovics
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
Title: Message
RTFM
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
10:40 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>I do a full backup
e
doing backups correctly.
No,
I don't have specific numbers.
William
-Original Message-From: Kelly Leavitt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:54
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup E
Title: Message
You
ever heard of Deleted Items Recovery?
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
10:05 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
> From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EM
, 2002 12:30
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Stefan,
If you are using Exchange 5.5, here's a good starting point:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto
re.a
sp
-Jim
Jim Holmgren MCSE, CCNA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Eng
g.com -- Superior Technology. Superior Performance.
-Original Message-
From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Ok, I'm converted.
Can some one point me to white pap
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Ok, I’m converted.
Can some one point me to white papers or url
for setting up a backup server.
Stefan Jafs
Amico Corporation
Tel: 1-877-GO-AMICO
www.amico.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Rose
Title: Message
Thank
you for that.
William
-Original Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:34
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
As
evidenced by some that are using BLB's just
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
For what it's worth.IMHO
Any reasonably sized business should not
waste their time with BLB it causes more problems than it solves. (And can
become very costly)
All the downsides of BLB's
have already been covered in this t
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Yes
but the problem with kludges is that the first time you really need it to work
will be the time that it will not work. I subscribe to the "Computers are
living proof of Murphy's Law" school of thought and prefer a known and pr
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
As
evidenced by some that are using BLB's just fine, why go into all the
negatives. It's working for them just fine. They are not carrying an
extra 30, 60, 90 whatever days extra data in their Priv that they have to now
backup daily.
EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2002
3:33To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
True
story:
I
was working for the corporate offices of a large men's clothing retail
chain. There was one buyer who was particularly high-strung and loved
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
not to
get into the whole" I said, You said" thing, but your reasoning below is
understandable even if it is a little confused. If you looked at the link
that William provided, you would have seen that it referred to the "Ed
Title: Message
*sniff*
A
wonderful story.
I'm
moved.
-Original Message-From: Preston Jeffares
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:33
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
True
story:
I
ing garbage."
I
could hear my VP laughing as he walked back to his office. *sighs* Oh the
days of being invincible.
-Original Message-From: William Lefkovics
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:01
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mail
ou sitting down) to store
important emails that they want to keep.
Nick
-Original Message-From: Jay Ploughe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:24
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
I
have bee
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:29
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Outstanding. Nice to hear the other side.
-Original Message-From: Jay Ploughe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:24
Original Message-From: Jay Ploughe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:24
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
I
have been watching this thread seeing the all the "Avoid BLBrestore the IS
and do Exmerge" co
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Outstanding. Nice to hear the other side.
-Original Message-From: Jay Ploughe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:24
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
I
have
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Sounds
right to me...with the exception of a few accidental email deletions, people
should know that when Outlook says "Permanent" that they should expect it to be
permanent. I have run into several user that use the Deleted Items fo
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
I have
been watching this thread seeing the all the "Avoid BLBrestore the IS and do
Exmerge" comments with interest.
I do
use Deleted Item Retention (10 days) and I do perform a full backup of the
stores for disaster recovery.
I al
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Ick...
man please just avoid the BLB. You'd be better off just doing what william
said and keeping around an old trash machine to do full restores to. It
will give you DR practice anyway. All you do is recover the full store...
the exmerg
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
>Honestly... I would tell the users about it. Some of them can try and be extra smart and then go in to the Recover Deleted
>Items box and delete their mail there too... and still complain about wanting it back. My suggestion... keep
06, 2002 11:39
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Honestly... I would tell the users about it. Some of them can try
and be extra smart and then go in to the Recover Deleted Items box and delete
their mail there too... and still complain about wanti
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Honestly... I would tell the users about it. Some of them can try
and be extra smart and then go in to the Recover Deleted Items box and delete
their mail there too... and still complain about wanting it back. My
suggestion... keep it to
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>On 5.5 go to the properties of the Private Information store and set the option in the General Tab.
Thanks.
OK. I had zero; I now have 45. Do I need to stop and start the IS, or does it t
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
You are right. Outlook install on an Exchange server = BAD
Mailbox backup = not really worth it
-Original Message-
From: James Lockley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 03:17
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject
-- Superior Technology. Superior Performance.
-Original Message-
From: Leone, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:40 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>I do a f
Title: Message
Perhaps.
-Original Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:05
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Hopefully the products will just get better all the way around, with
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
On
Exchange 2000 go to the Mailbox Store level properties. Go to the limits
tab. Set your retention time there.
On 5.5
go to the properties of the Private Information store and set the option in the
General Tab.
-Original Message
: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
You know, I used a few little email applications
that were granular like that, but they didn't have the collaborative
properties of an Exchange. In some ways I have accepted this perceived
limitation as a price for SIS and
William
-Original Message-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:07
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
And yet, the one thing that most of us wish worked better was single
mailbox restore. The DR
-From: Ray Zorz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:07
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
And
yet, the one thing that most of us wish worked better was single mailbox
restore. The DR procedure is a workaround for the in
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>I do a full backup of the information stores every night as part of the backup jobs on my tape library.
>I have a workstation-class machine that is sitting on a shelf pre-configured with Ex
essage-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
7:02 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
>Most businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement a
brick-level backup solution.
No, but most business
*yawns*
Man maybe I just missed it in all the other responses, but in response to:
>So that when the CEO wants her individual mail she deleted to come back from the
>dead, you can get back just that, rather
>make her wait while you do a whole restore of the IS, and then (I presume) an ExMerge
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
I do a
full backup of the information stores every night as part of the backup
jobs on my tape library.
I have
a workstation-class machine that is sitting on a shelf pre-configured with
Exchange and Win2K server, just in case I ever need to
have specific numbers.
William
-Original Message-From: Kelly Leavitt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:54
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
As I
put on my asbestos underwear (and not that I do
]Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:54
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Most
businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement a brick-level backup
solution.
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROT
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
> From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> I too am a recovering BLB admin. I've been BLB free for
> almost a whole year now.
> Its so nice to receive the "Exchange Backup - Successful" emails every
> morn
lark Systems Support, LLC.
-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:02 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
HI STEVE!
I too am a recovering BLB admin. I've been BLB free for almost a whol
nt: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:56 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Caveat - unless they don't understand. I had BLB's for a while (hi, my name
is Steve and I'm a recovering BLB administrator).
I feel much better now.
Steve Clark
Cla
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
>Most businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement a brick-level backup solution.
No, but most business expect that they can retrieve the contents of just one (or several) mailboxes, if necessary. That either means BLBs, or some sort
: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:54
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
Most
businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement a brick-level backup
solution.
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent
en permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:54 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
Most businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement
Title: Message
Most
businesses that deploy Exchange do not implement a brick-level backup
solution.
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
6:47 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
>>We do a full backup of all systems every night, so extra tape costs by doing BLBs are immaterial.
>At my last job, I did full backups each night as well. extra tape costs are immaterial for you? Well, I had 8 servers
>run
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
5:57 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: backup
mailboxes with Backup Exec
>Regarding the BLB's, you still have to justify the cost of
doing that with the added expense of backup tape and server
>performance d
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
>Regarding the BLB's, you still have to justify the cost of doing that with the added expense of backup tape and server
>performance degradation (during the long and arduous backup process).
We do a full backup of all systems ever
ed most important as a brick level
backup alternative.
Or
just follow:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm
:o)
William
-Original Message-From: Leone, Michael
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002
5:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
> I have Exch 5.5 and am backing it up with Backup Exec 8.5. I
> cannot connect to backup individual mailboxes because there is no MAPI client on the
> server. Any information I can find on it says to install Outlook.
> Somewhere on
Title: RE: backup mailboxes with Backup Exec
>I'm glad someone has got the "Brick-Level Backups =BAD" out of the way quickly ;). I suggest you also look at the disaster
>recovery papers at Microsoft which mention recovering from full backups but never from brick leve
I'm glad someone has got the "Brick-Level Backups =BAD" out of
the way quickly ;). I suggest you also look at the disaster recovery
papers at Microsoft which mention recovering from full backups but never from
brick level backups. (Watch for line wraps)http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte
1) It is not recommended to put the full-blown Outlook client on the
server. A MAPI client API exists on the server in the form of
mapi32.dll.
2) What you are attempting is known as 'brick level backups', which is
seldom recommended as a feasible method of Exchange backups. It is
flawed on many
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