Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-04-01 Thread David Rankin
"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: > Well since the release i686 RPM's are really compiled for i586, this is a > rather academic discussion... > > Civilme states that there are NO i686 optimizations in the i686 RPM's... > that they are really i586 optimized RPM's with i686 tagging because of the > CPU in t

RE: Re[2]: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-31 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
ere compiled on. So there seems to be a lot of worry over nothing... -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Declan Moriarty Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2029 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [expert] Lost sight of point (w

Re: Re[2]: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-31 Thread Declan Moriarty
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Rusty Carruth wrote: I recently joined this list, not because I feel 'expert' but because I wanted to know how the next release of Mandrake was shaping up, and this isn't a bad place to find out. I am very glad I caught this thread. I'm currently running 2 AMD K6s and mandrak

RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-31 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
Thanks. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Civileme Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Digital Wokan
Sorry, Civilme. I should have clarified a letter better with my position. So far, I've had no problems with Cooker. The problem is MandrakeFreq. By grabbing the "unsupported" directory without filtering for i586 binaries, I'm prevented from updating my 7.2 installation to the latest "mostly st

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Civileme
On Friday 30 March 2001 09:15, you wrote: > The one thing that I'm noticing throughout this particular discussion is > that everyone is blaming Mandrake and not looking at the fact that the > K6-2 and K6-3 are actually i586 chips. > > How can Mandrake make their distribution recognize the K6 serie

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Chubby Vic
Its ok to have the i686 rpms in the version, just don't (whoever) remove the i586 ones, just add the i686 and leave the i586 IN there so one can install it on either machine and then everyone will be happy and the version won't give you any poop about installing, it will just install with no probl

Re[2]: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Rusty Carruth
Ken Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Well put Jose! I hope we see something like this come from Linus. Looking > > down the "time horizon", this issue will probably dissapear in 8 to 12 > > months, but in the interim, it just makes good business sense not to raise > > potential obsta

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Ken Thompson
> > Well put Jose! I hope we see something like this come from Linus. Looking > down the "time horizon", this issue will probably dissapear in 8 to 12 > months, but in the interim, it just makes good business sense not to raise > potential obstacles to the further acceptance of Linux. I'm not so

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Lyric
The one thing that I'm noticing throughout this particular discussion is that everyone is blaming Mandrake and not looking at the fact that the K6-2 and K6-3 are actually i586 chips. How can Mandrake make their distribution recognize the K6 series as i686 chips when they will just cough and sput

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-30 Thread Chubby Vic
So does this mean that the next ver of Mandrake will install on my AMDK6-400 without any trouble just like 7.2 ? If not I will be VERY upset On Friday 30 March 2001 12:51 am, so spoke David Rankin: > "Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: > > To begin with, this is not a Mandrake issue, it's a Linux issue

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point

2001-03-29 Thread Erik Günther
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Rankin wrote: Okej so LM8 will probobly be for i586. Thats fine for me. But how do I recompile the hole distro to be i686 just for me. I mean if I start to recompile LM8.src on LM8.i586 the hole distro will bi based on a i586 glibc and a i586 kernel... or do I miss som

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread David Rankin
"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: > To begin with, this is not a Mandrake issue, it's a Linux issue. > > The K6 can execute i686 code, just not optimally for the processor. > > With the Kernel it's another matter altogether... > > The MTRR register differences PREVENTs the i686 compiled kernel to operate

RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
n Behalf Of Digital Wokan Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...) The biggest contributor to this problem are those submitting i686 packages to the "unsupported" packages. I once enjoyed updating to the

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Digital Wokan
The biggest contributor to this problem are those submitting i686 packages to the "unsupported" packages. I once enjoyed updating to the versions of programs ahead of Mandrake's official support of a package. Now, I'm stuck with things like Mozilla 0.7 because the person who built and submitted

RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
Friday, March 30, 2001 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mandrake Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...) "Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: > Eh, except 7.2 installs just fine on a P-90 and K5. > > It's only the 486 and 386's who are left out. >

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread David Rankin
"Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: > Eh, except 7.2 installs just fine on a P-90 and K5. > > It's only the 486 and 386's who are left out. > > The i586 vs i686 worries are somewhat ungrounded. > > The i586 code works best with the K6, etc. > Jose, what will happen when the next full release of Mandrake ap

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Ken Thompson
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 06:39 pm, you wrote: > We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions. > If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized > distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro. Period. They just > shouldn't be there. Never mind u

RE: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Jose M. Sanchez
Behalf Of Chubby Vic Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...) HEAR!! HEAR!!! Well spoken!

Re: [expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Chubby Vic
HEAR!! HEAR!!! Well spoken! On Wednesday 28 March 2001 07:39 pm, so spoke Digital Wokan: > We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions. > If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized > distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro. Period. T

[expert] Lost sight of point (was: WAIT!! STOP!!...)

2001-03-29 Thread Digital Wokan
We've lost sight of one of my original points in similar discussions. If Mandrake is a Pentium optimized distro and NOT a P2+ optimized distro, then i686 RPM's HAVE NO PLACE in the distro. Period. They just shouldn't be there. Never mind us annoyed K6-2 users. What about the kid on his dad's